something big comin to CP?
Rctycoon2k said:
...that CP and S&S would still have a strong connection and the S&S would give a discount on a later project because of the collapse. Could this have anything to do with this recent construction??
Not only was there no mention of discounts (that would never be public fact), but that's just good business, not burning bridges.
And why would it have to be something big? WT is certainly not big (20 track sections) and it was started early. I'd bet the only reason they didn't start it the off-season before was because it was in a place that didn't involve the public.
As I've been saying on GTTP... a concrete footer that could support virtually any type of steel ride in the world doesn't indicate anything, so why not just wait until we have something to talk about?
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B&M_Lover said:
i love it how everyone thinks that cp is running out of room. there is alot more to cp peninsula than what people think. they could still build alot more coasters. it would be really cluttered though.-----------------
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Yeah. The way I see it all you need is room for a station and some queue and the coaster can be built around things. Corkscrew goes right through the paths. If not this than they could always throw a few globs of dirt into the lake and built on that.
wahoo skipper said:
Well, let's put it this way....Cedar Point has existed for 130 some odd years, right? And in that time, how many rides have been built in Lake Erie (not counting that old slide you see in the museum)?
If, and it is a big IF, future expansion cannot be confined to the space currently surrounded by fence, they will come up with other ways to go about it. Moving into the existing parking lot, building coaster stations "in the berm" and running track outside the park ala Maggie and WT.
I truly believe it will be many years, perhaps even many decades, before CP officials throw up their arms and say, "That's it! We're done here."
I'm not saying they're ever going to say "we're done"... I'm saying that they're running out of room. Which they ARE. And which the rest of you who say I'm wrong keep tacitly admitting by saying "yeah, well, they take out this or that (whatever the reason) or they could expand into the parking lot, or they could go out over the water". Sure. Fine. They can do that. But it's because they're running out of room on the *island*. They could also take out the RV camp ground too. I'm not saying they have no options. I'm saying the choices are getting more difficult and more expensive.
Also, they've taken out two log flume rides that I remember. The small "mill run" at the front of the park, and the old "frontier" twin flume ride in frontier land, which was where White water Landing is now.
It just seems silly to me to insist quite strongly they're not running out of room on the one hand, while admitting all the things that they've removed or moved to make room for new things.... or am I the only one that sees the contradiction here?
Pete said:
None of the buildings, like Pirate Ride, Cinema, Earthquake, etc. are gone. They have just changed use. So, that doesn't count as a removal to free up space.
Yes, it counts. Why shouldn't it count? Its exactly the same thing as demolishing one thing and putting a new thing in its place. The wanted to put something new in, so they took out something old. It certainly does count... how can you say it doesn't?
Do you think it would be good if they took some off kiddie land away? I mean its not really all that popular anymore
Catherine said:
We overheard some guys telling these other people in line for MF @ Coastermania that CP was building a 456 foot Hypersonic clone! LOL!
Your laughing now. (insert winking smiley face here!)
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The one reason why I don't see a coastercoming is I was there the last two days and the sign said coming later this year.
Also like Jeff said the footers could be for anything.
Another reason for staring early is that those footers would neeed time to settle and harden all the way through.
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Earlier in the year, I heard a group of rumors stating that something big was coming to Ohio and it was something that would blow everyone away. I believe that ride is coming to America's roller coast. In my opinion, the ride is a huge version of S&S's TA2K.
1) The footers at the old dodgems site are exactly like that of Dondopa. I mean exactly, right down the the number of bolts (12).
2) A bigger version of the world's fastest coaster would be something that would blow the industry away, espically if the coaster is over 200 feet tall. Then you would have an amusement park with 16 roller coasters (world's record), 4 coasters over 200 feet (world's record), the new world's fastest coaster (120 + mph), and the first continual circuit launched coaster over 200 feet. Sounds like shattering news to me. The speed will come to Sandusky in 2003.
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Chris, if they want some thing fast, look at what CF has just given to Knotts.
Xcelerator. An Intamin Rocket Coaster.
It doesn't take up much room, and it can be placed over most of the surrounding paths and buildings. They tested Xcelerator at well over 100 MPH, so I know that this ride wouldn't have much trouble topping Dodonpa.
By the time it opens, Xcelerator will have proven to be a reliable prototype ride.
thats my guess, a rocket coaster. Except taller, faster and longer than Xclelerator. Thats the Cedar Point way!
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0-82 in 2.3 seconds! =Wow!
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I seriously doubt that they would test Xccelerator at "well over 100mph". Why would they want to? Why would they want to put that much extra stress on everything? If it was designed to top out at 80, I doubt they would have built/ordered a launch system that could go that far over, let alone set it up to be capable of doing that.
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They did. Those were Intamin mechanics that day. To be honest, I didn't see this myself, but I know several (mostly those who run ACN) that did.
And like many launched rides, Xcelerator doesn't launch at its peak capabilities in normal situations. I'm sure that it is possible for it to run this high, though I know what you mean about putting undue stress on the ride. Whatever, since it was Intamin mechanics running the show that day, I suppose they know what they are doing...
All arguments about Xcelerator aside though, it seems that it wouldn't be a strech to say that a hydraulic launch system could efficiently launch at ride at those speeds if it were designed to do so (the hydraulic systems are vastly more powerful than LIMs).
BlueStreak83 said:
...and the first continual circuit launched coaster over 200 feet. Sounds like shattering news to me. The speed will come to Sandusky in 2003.
Ummmm.. Been to Knotts lately????
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CoasterFanMatt said:
They tested Xcelerator at well over 100 MPH, so I know that this ride wouldn't have much trouble topping Dodonpa.
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Totally false. The peak speed for this design is 85 MPH. The launch system can however be modified for other uses by using larger or smaller compressors, cables and fly wheel. Xcelerator cannot go 100 MPH.
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Actually, most coasters test at slower and faster than normal speeds to make sure the coasters structure can handle its limits. B&M coasters actually end up running faster than expected when they are broken in. Thats why most of their modern coasters have trim brakes that eventually need to be turned on to slow the fast moving trains to normal speeds.
From looking at those videos and talking to my Intamin contacts, XC was indeed clocked at around 106 mph during testing. Watch the videos.. look how fast that train crests and goes over the towers.. I would say that 100 mph definitely happened on that thing. And I guarantee you that the CF knows that also. Intamin is relly gonna be pushing these things heavily this IAAPA expo and I wouldnt be surprised if parks scooped some up for 2003 and 2004.
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Jeff said:
" and we all know the competition is building a 200-foot Intamin ride next year."
I'm sorry, I must have been asleep at the keyboard (or stranger yet *gasp* working), but exactly at which point did we learn that SFWoA is building anything from INTAMIN?
I surely hope that is just your belief and not some actual fact. They'd be much better served with a B&M hyper. Unless you were referring to an Intamin Giant Drop variant. That would be gravy!
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