Michigan's Adventure Future Plans

I too am riding the fence on whether or not to get passes for next year. The only reason I can forsee is the advantage of being able to use them at the point. If I buy one it will be a real CP pass just so that I don't have to hold up the line while they log my MIA pass by hand. I can also add Joe Cool to the CP pass. Seems like a better deal for my family to buy them at CP. I went to CP more than MIA this year and it just makes sense.

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Blue People fly sideways when it rains...

One season...if only my experience was just that. The attendance was great this summer the same times it has been great for many years. It had nothing to do with weather like everyone wants to believe. It is never busy early in the year and never busy late in the summer. That is just how it goes. I have lived by the park my entire life and I have seen many many summers. I don't think I would be stupid enough to come here and voice my opinion with only one season of knowledge.

Cedar Fair has done a great job with their other parks. I am not denying that at all. However, I just don't think they have the same intention with MA. With MA's market area overlapping with their feature parks market area, they have to be careful not to compete too stiffly with themselves. NO other park that they have shares the same markets. Dorney is about the same distance from CP but they have totally different markets.

If they are waiting to add improvements until attendance grows, I think that is going to pose a problem. I see attendance dropping slightly every year that they don't add something.

These are all just MY opinions. I would hope that no one finds it necessary to personally attack me for my views. I love friendly debating and I am not writing anything with the hope of CF people seeing it. I am just talking to my fellow coaster lovers.

MiAdvFan,

Your logic is flawed, somewhat. Competeing with themselves won't hurt anything. The revs still end up in the same place.

Granted, CP is more expensive and pulling people from there to Michigan (which is cheaper) may hurt CP a bit. But that just ain't gonna happen for many years. CP has SO much more to offer than it's little sibling. They could just raise MiAdv prices a bit to compensate.

MrScott

All I know is the more Roger Jourden did to MA and the bigger it got, the more CF wanted to acquire it. The more advertising that the Jourden family did in the Detroit area, the more times CF people were at the park wanting to make an offer. Why? So they could own two great parks within a few hours of each other or so that they could own one great park and stop the growth of a park that could have become something great.

I am not saying that MA won't grow at all. I am just trying to say that it will not experience near the rapid growth that it would have before the sale.

MA has a great potentional to grow if CF can pull people from a different non-competing market. Starting next summer, there will be a high speed cross lake ferry from Milwaukee to Muskegon. That could do wonders for the park, if CF takes advantage of it.

Again you bring up competition. While the parks would compete if CF had not bought MiAdv, I don't see them as competing now.

Smoke some crack with me here and imagine what would happen to CF's revenue if, in the next 5 years, they added accomodations, a Raptor-like coaster, an Iron Dragon-like coaster, a Magnum-like coaster and several flats to MiAdv. Still nowhere near what CP has to offer, but it would make MiAdv a much more attractive place to visit. Do you actually think that this would hurt CP's attendance? Nope.

But it would increase CF's revs. Growing MiAdv is in CF's best interest, not holding it back in fear of hurting CP's attendance. That just ain't gonna happen. IMHO.

MrScott

I can gaurantee all that michigan adventure will recieve swan boats for the 2004 season. They will be located on the left of the sea Dragon and acrosse from Loggers Run and the Boardwalk Fries. It will be operated by the loggers run crew which already operates sea Dragon and Loggers Run I will not say who told me this because i promised not to say but it is a gaurantee and they already started construction for it on the closing day. Also this next bit of information is not 100 gauranteed but its is very close. Falling star will most likley be removed for 2004 or 2005, the reason is that it is a maintnance pain in the ass. I dont know what it will be replaced by but i have hear reports of an S&S tower ride, and the falling star ride area is just the right size and if they wanted the could remove the lake infront of it. What may replace it is speculation but the fact of it being removed is true. And just to speculate some more... I have heard mixed reports about trabant being removed, and possiblly being replaced with an enterprise. SO look forward to swan boats next year and maybe a new ride replacing falling star. It will be nice to sea the logers run midway filled in a little more.

And for your first post you made sure to tell us all of these rumors. My firstborn child was named "gaurantee".

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*** This post was edited by timberguy 10/1/2003 2:56:19 PM ***

*If* that is what's happening to falling star, aw nuts :( My favorite ride in the entire park after Shivering Timbers!

edit: Looks like MiA is getting "Surf Side Cabanas" for next year along the wave pool and lazy river. Hope it's jus the first of many announcements :)
*** This post was edited by Strijder 10/3/2003 9:40:30 AM ***

screamscape is know reporting that MIA's website has removed falling star, which would confirm the rumor however when i checked out the website falling star was still listed on the list of rides and it didnt say anywhere on the site about the rides removal. does anybody know more about what is happening to this ride, because i was told it was being removed and i would like to hear what others have heard

Probably someone read your post and submitted the rumor to them :) I wouldn't put much faith in their rumors section, as they reported the old dirt access road alongside ww as a "new" expansion early this summer.

Yep, the big expansion is here.

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Blue People fly sideways when it rains...

well on the dirt road expansion there have been significantly big changes added to it this year. many new clearings have been made along side of it that were not there last year. And there has also been quite a bit action going on over there almost every day of august. And there will be more things added then just cabannas, just keep checking out there web site for more news

Wow, $50 bucks is kinda steep. But it is a good idea.

This topic has to be one of thr hottest topics of the year. the coaster enthuisast commiunity loves to speculate on how and what CF is giong to do with MA. It has to have created some buzz at CF. From a marketing stand point I'd assume this thread would be filled with lot's of usefull information and great feed back. Back to the topic. I think a drop ride and swan ride would be a great addition to the park.The drop tower may steal some visual thunder away from ST. Making ST look smaller. I still believe that an economical way to have a drop ride would be to send Demon Drop over to MA. CP has enough rides to fill two parks. CP should transfer some of their older rides and replace them with newer more modern flats etc.

Hottest topic? As in 'most deserving of Hades' flames while denying its fate?'

I can see what you meen about a tower ride visually taking away from timbers, i cant sea CP sending demon drop over but it would still be a good idea, because i ride like demon drop would probably be much more succesfull at a park like MIA then it has at CP

CoastaPlaya,

Are you of the opininon tha CF is holding this park back or developing it for the future?

Just curuious.

MrScott

The latter, of course. It's gotta have more ways for everybody to spend a day/crack open their wallets for a major expenditure to work. And if it's going to draw a lot more people--say 600K to 750K--it's going to need enough benches, food stalls and potties for that sort of crowd. Has RCT taught you nothing?

Bear in mind that a $5 million MiA cap expenditure is equivalent to a $10 million year at a park that draws a million (or close). This is why I keep saying a $10 million season too soon is a bad idea.

-'Playa

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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.

I think DD would be great idea for MA. CP should have also donated Schwabichen to replace MA's Trabant, One of the Turnpike/antigue cars rides for the Be Bop Blvd, and (I'll probably really get flamed for this one) DT or Mantis.

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WHAT no coaster to be built in Ohio in 04? Why are we being punished! What next? No more Rollercoaster Tycoon expansion packs.

I have been watching this thread closely and its all real interesting. I have never been to MIA, but I studied pictures, maps and such quite closely. Here's my take:

Moving used rides from CP (not a coaster yet... but 1 or 2 flat rides) whould effectively be brilliant. Its also gives CP a reason to add a new flat ride.

The park need to improve its number of attractions or else... its will run into La Ronde 2002 problem... What problem? Six Flags add an Inverted (prices I heard is 10 millions plus), rehab restrooms and restaurants. But, the rest is still the same... So, yes, you added your great, flagship coaster, but you still have a park that is way behind in terms of attractions and coasters. But... Six Flags solved that issue in 2003: 7 new attractions, nothing major, but, all of them were actually customised! Even the Wild Mouse... well does not have a Wild Mouse theme!

A true 7 rides expansion whould not work at MIA yet, as well as the 10 millions coaster. Add one or two flat rides per season, scrounge around, find a used coaster that is easy on maintenance, make that a big "addition". That's what's going to turn it into an unbelievable park.

Both the GP and enthusiasts are going to complain in the beginning, as its can be a slow process, but, in the end, its will work.