Michigan's Adventure Future Plans

Saturday, May 24, 2003 7:55 AM
Yep folks, I'm leaking. This is why you can NEVER trust me with anything. A VERY reliable source at Michigan's Adventure kindly let leak as to future plans at the park. Here's the basics:

->2004 WILL bring a steel coaster. They wouldn't say what kind, my guess is an Intamin rocket...

->Hotel/Campground as we know is in the works. This is a high point for the park right now, as they want people to stay for more than one day.

->Night hours are another thing the park is looking into. We already know this.

->Land, land, land, land, and more land! The park is attempting to buy land around the park to make the park into it's ultimate goal...

(This next part is from a high official) the park's ultimate goal is to purchase a lot of land and build up the park a LOT! Their model is................. guess who........ CEDAR POINT. I know, I know, you're telling me it'll never be as big as CP, but they say it will. And I trust this person more than I trust myself, so I know it's true. A high official even told this person

Michigan's Adventure is the Cedar Point of tomorrow.

Any questions?

MiA Jon

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Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:36 AM
My Guess is the Hyper.

The best idea ( I think ) would be to add a mega looper. CP nor SFGA owns one.

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*** This post was edited by Coaster Bob 5/24/2003 12:42:17 PM ***

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Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:01 AM
They might get a floorless or an inverted B&M coaster.
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Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:08 AM
I'm trying to think of companies they are in a deal with right now, but B&M may come back to Cedar Fair...

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Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:37 AM
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Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:40 AM
If the very reliable source is a certain high profile ride op, he has been known to mess with people.

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Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:04 AM
This is also in the same category as SFWoA.

We know both parks are planning on building a hyper. BOTH parks have stated that publicly already. Both parks have delayed their building. MiA was suppose to happen the year CF took over, but got pushed back due to CF buying the park. As SFWoA got pushed back due to the city, and expansion plans. Both parks is a only a matter of time. And a great time that will be when they come...

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Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:22 AM
I really do think a floorless would be a good addition to MiA. They need a mega looper of some kind rather than a hyper.
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Saturday, May 24, 2003 12:44 PM
No people, it's not the high ride-op you're thinking of. That ride-op still says we're going for 500 feet next year. :rolleyes:

This person can be trusted, and sorry, but once I got the news I had to leak. I know people who don't know, talk, and people who do know, don't talk, but I just wanted to share.

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Saturday, May 24, 2003 1:13 PM
Here is what I would like to see in the next few years:

2004 - At least one Beemer, if not two. One must be inverted

2005 - S&S Tower, Hyper

2006 - Another quality steel coaster

All this along with normal improvements and expansions. I think a hotel is a little overdone, at least at this point.

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Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:21 PM
If this actually is true (not doubting or believing) and it turns out to be a larger steel coaster I’d hope for it to ether be the “rumored” hyper coaster (one that was said to be part of the purchasing deal Cedar Fair signed) or a B&M Lopper of some form. If it is a B&M coaster I’d hope that it would be a Floorless or Sit-down (Kumba, Wildfire, Incredible Hulk).

Lets say it turns out to be a steel coaster on the smaller side, some where along the lines of a kiddy or family coaster. If it is a kiddy coaster I say place it in the middle of the train circuit (Expand if needed). Make this area into a Camp Snoopy with a slight western feel to it. The one kind I’d hope for a kiddy/family coaster would be a Vekoma inverted (Ex: Rugrats Runaway Reptar)

Some other thins I’d like to see come to MIA in the future:

A B&M looping coaster of some form

A hyper coaster

A S&S Tower ride (Thinking a three tower version) Lighting for later operating hours

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*** This post was edited by Goku2216 5/24/2003 9:21:57 PM ***

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Saturday, May 24, 2003 6:07 PM

MiAJon said:
Yep folks, I'm leaking. This is why you can NEVER trust me with anything. A VERY reliable source at Michigan's Adventure kindly let leak as to future plans at the park. Here's the basics:

->2004 WILL bring a steel coaster. They wouldn't say what kind, my guess is an Intamin rocket...

->Hotel/Campground as we know is in the works. This is a high point for the park right now, as they want people to stay for more than one day.

->Night hours are another thing the park is looking into. We already know this.

->Land, land, land, land, and more land! The park is attempting to buy land around the park to make the park into it's ultimate goal....

->(This next part is from a high official) the park's ultimate goal is to purchase a lot of land and build up the park a LOT! Their model is................. guess who........ CEDAR POINT. I know, I know, you're telling me it'll never be as big as CP, but they say it will. And I trust this person more than I trust myself, so I know it's true. A high official even told this person

->Michigan's Adventure is the Cedar Point of tomorrow.


ride: I would guess not, actually. I don't think MIAdv has the maintenance budget for it. Word has long been a hyper or an inverted. Staff, last I knew, were leaning hyper. There's room for it, and it would nicely accent ST.

campground: Yup. Gotta work it out w/ the county/township, though.

hours: Yup. Gotta work it out w/ the county/township/neighbors, though.

land: Hmm, really? Can't go north, not w/ the golf course there. Not sure on east. You've got the maintenance/staff area, but aren't there homes no so far away?

Across the road seems mostly doable, but crossing that road is gonna be fun.

Down towards the racetrack seems easiest, but you've got that public right of way right next to the park boundary.
Septic ponds, too..

Gemini always should've been in Michigan...
*** This post was edited by Wolf 5/24/2003 10:15:43 PM ***

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Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:04 AM
Pardon my ignorance....but what is an Intamin "Rocket" coaster?
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Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:55 AM
This park will never be like CP. The people working there are dumb & lazy. CF is smart by working on the infastructure(SP?) This park could have potential. It is really a park for little kids right now.
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Sunday, May 25, 2003 6:30 AM

Alexander C. Curavo said:
Michigan's Adventure 5 year plan if they want to succeed

2004: B&M Inverted (Cedar Fair had better not do what Six Flags has been doing lately and going with the cheaper Vekoma Inverted Coaster that has a lower capacity and is rougher than hell), 2-3 Flat Rides, Extensive Repainting and Referbishment of rides and buildings.

2005: S&S Space Shot & Turbo Drop Tower, Camp Ground, 2-3 more flat rides and maybe an Intamin Space Spiral ride. Also, extensive expansion of buildings to include more themed counter service and restaurants, as well as shops and an arcade. Also, Johnny Rockets anyone?

2006: B&M Hyper (Apollo's Chariot), Water Park Expansion, and possibly seperation from the amusement park (another Soak City), 2-3 show buildings (diving show, stage show, and maybe Snoopy on Ice), continued expansion of themed buildings.

2007: More flat rides, a full size train, Camp Snoopy, 1 additional show, and a small motel (Breakers Express)

2008: Premier Indoor Launched Coaster or a themed Intamin Launched Coaster (Volcano: The Blast Coaster), more buildings, etc. Also possibly an Arrow (Now S&S Arrow) Suspended coaster (look at continued popularity of Iron Dragon)


I don't want to sound rude, but this seems to tie back to an old discussion about Worlds of Fun, and Valley Fair's recent investments and a heated debate between Swoosh and CoastaPlaya. CF isn't going to shell out $10+ million dollars every year for the next 5 or so years to get a park on its feet by adding world class attractions. I'm sure it's quite possible that the park may soon see a S&S combo tower or a hyper, but it looks like CF is going for infastructure first, and not taking the Field of Dreams approach "If you build it they will come." It's all about ROI
*** This post was edited by Six Flags Over Nebraska 5/25/2003 12:31:43 PM ***

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Sunday, May 25, 2003 6:42 AM

Catherine said:
Pardon my ignorance....but what is an Intamin "Rocket" coaster?

Xcelerator and Top Thrill Dragster are the only two in exsistence right now.

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Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:47 AM
MIA doesn't draw enough people to make a $10+ million installation of a coaster. They draw less than a half million people a year horrible compared to the other parks in the chain. If they do add a coaster it might be the already planned hyper or maybe a Intamin Impulse. They aren't going to spend the extra money on a high capacity B&M when the coaster would never have a wait. Look at ST it hardly ever has more than a 30 minute wait. They don't need a big coaster. Also a S&S tower would be a possibility and hopefully provide a landmark that can be seen from the Highway. These are just my oppinions but be reasonable people and think about what your saying.

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Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:10 PM
Neither an Intamin rocket nor a B&M Inverted is gonna happen. Fuggedaboutit. The CF parks that draw twice as many people or better have never had $13 million cap expenditure seasons. Frankly, WOF has only had one $10 million cap budget (Mamba) and has never had another since.

You should thank your lucky stars should you get an Ivertigo--I'd love to have one at my local CF park. Boomerangs can be bumpy but Invertigos are smooth as butter. I'd almost say I'd prefer an Ivertigo to an Impulse but now that I've got a local Impulse I gotta say naaaaaaaaah.

I love how roller coaster people think their local park has to get a huge coaster or a park that's been profitable for years will suddenly go under. It's actually the other way around--parks that overspend have problems.

Personally, I'd say a really twisty S&S would be the best fit. It would be lower cost, higher in thrills and maintain the park's unique personality.

-'Playa

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Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:30 PM
What MA already has: Great wood coasters, Great family coasters, awesome water park, good water rides, good selection of flats, and a pretty good kiddy area.

What Ma could use: Hyper, Launch Mega looper, Invert or 4D. Drop Ride (CP's Demon Drop), convert kiddy area to CS, sit down restaraunts indoor, and shaded areas.

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Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:30 PM
Alexander: Nope--DP draws about triple MiA's attendance and has a potential market (33 million) larger than VF's, MiA's and WoF's combined. Guess you weren't aware of all the facts involved there.

Don't even expect $10 million. A Morgan hyper can be had for less than $10 million and is about as much as can be expected.

You'd be better off with a $3 million coaster here, a $5 million coaster there than $10 million all at once and never, ever again.

-'Playa

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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya 5/25/2003 4:31:30 PM ***

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