Legitimate issue with Cedar Point claim
So a true amusement park has to have a gate? Somebody ought to tell Knoebels, Rye Playland, Trimpers Rides, Santa Cruz Boardwalk and probably over a dozen others that so they'll stop advertising themselves as amusement parks. Who cares if Morey's is spread over several piers. The walk from Pier to Pier is less than the walk from one end to the other at Cedar Point. Just consider the beach and ocean in between as "theming."
Impulse-ive said:
This is ironic because the one company in the world who makes the most possibly false claims just to make themselves look better that are unsubstantiated in the eye of the beholder is Disney. They are perhaps one of the greatest marking machines in the world simply because their product inspires such fierce loyalty, and anything that they approve of automatically inspires fierce loyalty (sound familiar?).
See, Brett, that was the point I was making. I wasn't saying Disney parks were better, and am, in fact, not a Disney Fanboy. But Disney is by leaps and bounds better than Cedar Point at advertising and making fanboys and making it seem they are infallable. They do it better than CP. The thing they don't do better is record breakers.
See, to me, CP almost wants to be Disney-esq. Not in that they want to give the same experience, but that they want to be a resort destination. Obviously, Disney does it better. But I was getting at the same thing, Disney has the fan boys, claims what they wish, and bla bla bla to a higher degree than Cedar Fair could hope.
I guess I see things differently than you guys. I'm not really a 'fanboy' of anything. If that makes me a 'critic boy', fine by me. At least I don't curse the other fanboys whilst claiming to be a fanboy of what I'm defending, right Rob?;)
Brian says, see ya at CedarMania in a couple of weeks!! :-D
Rob and Millrace, you've said again and again that this debate is simply about advertising, then why are you sticking to Cedar Point and consistantly berating those who are giving you logical arguments as to why they might be advertising that way (except Gonch, apparently he's the only one allowed to express a logical argument without being labelled a mindless, stupid, sheep drone of a fanboy of a park that 'obviously' is a money-grubbing, power-hungry, win-at-all-costs enterprise) and not extending your argument beyond Cedar Point?
Disney advertises itself as the Happiest Place on Earth. I certainly am never that happy when I'm anywhere near a Disney park.
Pizza Hut claims their pizza is "the good stuff", what about if I like Vocelli better?
Less subjective ones: I bought a skillet that had a big sticker on it claiming it was non-stick. I had to throw it out three days later because there was teriyaki sauce hopelessly stuck to it.
Car companies tell you you can drive their cars for leases under $100. By their exact wording, that's impossible, because their advertising minus the legal mumbo-jumbo is devoid of mentioning that you have to be a 5-time customer of their company, disabled vet of 4 wars, perhaps be a minority, have perfect credit, have two right thumbs, and oh yea, put down a couple grand at lease signing.
And the best one yet, an advertiser that's been running during Howard Stern for a while now is a product called the Phaser II. This is basically a radar jammer that is advertised to not only disable police radar, but the company will pay your speeding tickets if you get one while using their product. The best part? They claim in their ad that they don't condone reckless driving - now please tell me how buying a device that's outlawed in 7 states and should probably be outlawed in all states and allows people to do 100 mph down the interstate with no legal consequences is not condoning reckless driving?
If you two are really concerned about advertising and not bashing "fan boys" of what was refered to as "the mistake by the lake" in a moment of shining critic-boy glory, then why are you not up in arms about these advertisements and bashing anyone who comes forward to defend these companies?
As for Pizza Hut and Disney, that's slightly different. Those are subjective claims that can't be proved right or wrong. They're annoying but not the same as touting an easily disproved "fact." Cedar Point said they have the most rides. But they don't. If they had said they have the most good rides they might be judged wrong by a lot of people but they aren't necessarily lying because everybody has their own idea of what a good ride is (for instance I would rather marathon on the CP&LE Railroad then ride Dragster).
And it seems to me that it is the fanboys who are making a big issue out of this.
And who cares if a park has 5 more rides than another park does. It makes no differance in weather or not I visit that park.
And if it was such a big deal and the claim was false, dont you think that morey's piers would argue that claim?
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
False advertising: "And it seems to me that it is the fanboys who are making a big issue out of this."
Backed up by facts:
number of posts in the topic: 132
number of posts by millrace, Rob, Thrillerman and SLFAKE (the critic-boy core): 39
So that's 30% for those keeping score at home of the posts in a thread have been by the critic-boys, not to mention the original topic was created by a critic-boy. And that's lumping everyone else who's responded to this thread into "fanboy" which isn't the case, as Tekno had 4-5, and Gonch had 2.
Backed up by hard facts.
Who's making the bigger issue now?
There really shouldn't even be labels like fanboy and criticboy. I think most people can find something they like and something they don't like nearly everywhere. Is it human nature to distill everything down into neat little categories?
Cedar Point has more rollercoasters that rock RavenTTD's face off than any other park ON THE PLANET!
Critc Boy Core...
No, there you have me wrong.
I have nothing against Cedar Point. I can't personally... I've never been there. I have nothing against Cedar Fair in general... only been to one of their parks (Dorney) and liked it. Now Six Flags... that's another story for another long and drawn out thread.
If you note, my one snide commend directed toward a park was against Great Adventure... "how many OPERATING rides do they have?"). Most of my snide comments were directed against the hypocrisy of the "Fan-Boys who can't admit that they are Fan-boys".
The whole thing started when the Cedar Point claim of the most rides (at 68) was pointed out to be not exactly true since Morey's has 70+ (NOT including upcharge attractions). Some say since Morey's is "3 locations" and "ungated" it doesn't count. Someone claimed that "but many of those rides [at Morey's] are kiddie rides" (will this same person... I forget who it was now... then concede the fact that Cedar Point only should count 15 coasters since Jr.Gemini is only a "kiddie coaster?")
It's just the "arrogance" of the whole thing.
I wouldn't exactly consider myself the "Critic Core"... just objective. But then again, as pointed in a post several pages ago, to the Cedar Point Fan Boy Core (Motto: "We may not always be right, but we're never in doubt."), anyone who says anything that does not show CP in the most positively glowing light MUST be a critic of it.
*** Edited 5/12/2005 5:18:27 PM UTC by SLFAKE***
One glaring omission from Brett's 'fact' file is a tally of the 'Hey, who gives a crap' posts. Why? I guess you'd have to ask him...but they would kinda deflate the veracity of his particular point. Then again, who gets to count? Who gets to slap what label on who and what's their motivation behind it?
Which all leads back to the real truth of the matter...anybody's 'count' of this or that is highly subjective, fraught with error and just plain silly to debate in the first place.
And that, my friends, is FAR beyond obvious.
-The Man
NOTE: Severe fecal impaction may render the above words highly debatable.
In the grand scheme of things as far as advertising claims goes, the number of rides-- rides AND coasters-- rides, coasters, pantookers and wuzzles-- at one park or another is worth 0.000644953 shares of Six Flags stock. Especially compared to claims like "we need your social security and account numbers to update our database..." OK, THAT is what I would call fraudulent and dangerous.
But if CF's advertisement really, really, REALLY bothers anyone, I would point out that every state has an Attorney General and some sort of consumer protection agency. Take it up with them, don't just piss and moan here. If not, well OK, I think everyone made their points. And nobody's changing anyone else's minds.
Besides, the most rides in one location on the planet has to be a junkyard or landfill somewhere in northeastern PA, well at least parts of the most rides.
Racer counts as 2 rides.
American Eagle counts as 4 rides
Colosuss counts as .5 rides
Dueling Dragons counts as 2 rides
Batman and Robin: The chiller counts as 1.5 rides...
right?
nick smith
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