Legitimate issue with Cedar Point claim

Tambo wins the award for making the most sense... thanks! Maybe now this thing will die like it should have a few pages ago!

Honestly,you CAN'T compare Cedar Point and Morey's Piers. CP does have 68 rides. I have a big souvenir map in my room. How many coasters does Morey's have?? Yes, CP is AMERICA'S ROLLER COAST!! *** Edited 5/12/2005 9:14:42 PM UTC by coastergurl***

68 Rides. That includes the Coasters. I hate to break it to ya, but go to CP and count them. remember, soak city doesn't count. You guys are funny, "68 plus 16 coasters!!!" anyone who has traversed the midway's of CP any multiple amount of times would know that 68 is the total. This is so funny.

I apologize to SLFAKE, and I did acknowledge that not everyone else in the thread counted as fanboys. My point was to make a ridiculous post that was just as ridiculous as this entire argument, but the humor was apparently lost on many if not all. That happens to me a lot.

Tambo, while you have seemingly proven the root of the argument, you must be a fan boy just trying to blindly support the park, because could it possibly be, you're defending the park objectively, and better yet, with facts?

The 68 rides thing is a absolute joke anyway, probably 15-20 of them are the same stupid kiddie ride that's a 10' circle with various types of tubs attached to the end of arms with buzzers that make an ungodly racket that makes me feel really bad for any of the ride ops stuck near that all day. Their real "ride" count is more like in the upper 30s or lower 40s. Figured I'd give another go at trying to show certain people that not everyone who enjoys going to Cedar Point blindly defends their every move, but it'll probably fall on deaf ears.

And yet we all forget that this is all marketing, and I'm sure no one's feelings are hurt at Morey's Piers when they run this campaign.

Besides, we all know that its all about quality, not quantity, an argument that may not favor either of those parks.

Allow me to add my own two cents, in the form of an interesting reminder that I found contained within a civil engineering lecture this semester.

The title of the slide in question was: "What is the world's tallest building?" The slide, in fact, had four answers (and didn't even include the CN Tower in Canada, which is the considered the world's tallest freestanding structure).

The four answers are all legitimate because they're based on four very different criteria: height to the structural top, height to the highest floor, height to the top of the roof, and height to the top of the antenna. Technically, any building that has a maximal value at any of these criteria can claim itself to be "the world's tallest building".

So now, let me translate this idea into coaster-speak. Let's consider the year 2003, during which at any given time there were four record holders for the world's tallest roller coaster. That is, of course, if you consider the categories of: the world's tallest operating non-full circuit, the world's tallest operating full circuit, the world's tallest SBNO non-full circuit, and the world's tallest SBNO full circuit. And on the same vein as the buildings debate, any coaster that has a maximal value at any of these criteria can also be a claim to "the world's tallest coaster." (Maybe this will stop that OTHER age-old debate.)

And now, to bring the discussion at hand into the mix: where does one categorize a number of rides? Does an S&S Tower with four branches count as one ride, two rides (Turbo Shot and straight drop), or four rides? Does a racing coaster count as one ride or two (i.e. Gemini)? How about two coasters that are built on the same structure but have different tracks (i.e. B&R: The Chiller)? And more importantly, where does one draw the line? Is there ever going to be any such thing as one definitive line? (Here's a hint: absolutely not.)

This having been said, to argue over which park really does have the most rides (unless the park is able to surpass EVERY OTHER PARK ON EARTH by EVERY conceivable ride-counting method) is utterly pointless. And news flash: even the boys at Guinness can be wrong.

As for the whole Cedar Point fanboy thread: if it really bothers you that much that no one wants to admit that Cedar Point can do no wrong, maybe you need to find a new hobby. There are plenty of other worldly examples of so-called "bests" that get repeatedly trashed, and no one gets offended enough to piss and moan when everyone else refuses to admit their imperfections. (Someone else find one, I've got to be somewhere in a few minutes.) Equally as immature is using a post to question the post before: calling someone out on a pointless post is equally as pointless.

But in the end, a stupid thread on a roller coaster enthusiast website isn't going to change the way advertising and marketing takes place. I'm sure that Cedar Point's PR department has some way of justifying their claim if it were ever challenged -- otherwise, there would be an asterisk all over their marketing. But hey, maybe an asterisk belongs and it isn't there. If that lack of an asterisk bothers you that much, ask the PR department for the explanation -- not a bunch of rabid enthusiasts, a large majority of which are so-called "fan boys" that you KNOW in advance will never listen to a word you say.

Conclusion: advertising sucks (knew that), people think different things (knew that), fan boys will be fan boys (knew that), trying to make claims that can only be construed as subjective into claims that can be dealt with in objective terms is both ludicrous and a waste of energy (think about that).

--Dave

Tambo wins for Best Post on the Planet :) Though I still don't see how Knoebels, fence or no fence, is the same as a collection of piers. OK, sorry, I'll stop. :)

Sorry I missed the fun all day. I was too busy at the do-no-wrong park watching my son get a big cheesy smile while riding Frog Hopper, Balloon Race and others.

Isn't that what it's all about? I hope he grows up to be as a much of a fan as I am.

CP Fanboys: More likely to reproduce than any other 'boys ON THE PLANET!

That's great, Gemini. I wish I was there right now, riding CP's great collection of rides and coasters, all 68 of them. I love CP. :)

At any rate, I am happy to have been able to get to CP early enough in the season that I could get video of Dragster launching in '05 in front of the billboard that reads "The World's Fastest Coaster!". I'm still wondering if they are waiting to change the wording on that one.

After Steel Dragon 2000 opened, CP advertised Millie as the tallest coaster on six continents. They're very good about being literally correct.

They don't claim to have the most rides and roller coasters on the planet; they claim to have the most rides and roller coasters on Earth. Now aren't a lot of Morey's rides on, or over, water?

My god this just won't die!!!!

Let me try something here. I'll spin this a little differently for the sake of trying to figure out what is going on with truth in advertising vs a flat out lie.

I'm not on Cedar Point's mailing list anymore (oddly enough...ahem) but I am Geauga's. Now Geauga Lake has been saying in all their media kits and at all kinds of enthusiast events this past off-season that the Raging Wolf Bob's track rehabilitation work would be completely finished this year by opening day. They made it quite clear everytime I talked with marketing and other higher-ups at the park that ALL of the older original track on the coaster would be replaced. Even the website made this point clear. Well it isn't finished completely. Yes I rode the coaster over the week-end and it is running much better than it did even last year with the 600 feet they replaced, but there is still around 600-800 feet of original track left to replace. They aren't finished with what Six Flags started. This was a three year project supposedly. It's gonna turn into four years now because they still didn't fix the worst part of the ride where it turns into a coffee grinder. I really don't want to say they lied, but they sure as heck weren't being very honest either.

It just bothers me that advertising and marketing can be so misleading and deceptive. Are we (as a society in general) that greedy for business and the all mighty buck that we'll say almost anything even if it's not entirely true? I wasn't raised that way, but it's OK now that I'm an adult and everything is about me me me and the all mighty dollar?? You can defend the mentality and business/marketing logic all you want, but it is wrong!!

Nobody cares???.....sheesh....another deception!!!

Wood Coaster Fan Club - "Sharing a Passion for the Classics"

Morey's rides are all over the beach. No water under anything, unless you count the Great NorEaster built over 1 of their 2 waterparks.

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Rob Ascough said:

where was I supposed to take it? The local news? A senator? A discussion forum for NASCAR?

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It seems, to me, that what people are curious about is this: if you think it is in fact a distortion of facts by Cedar Point, why discuss it here? Why not address the issue with Cedar Point?

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RavenTTD said:
Chuck E Cheese has the most rides. Sure there are a lot of locations, but the tokens work at all of them.

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Wow, he asks one question and then we gets idiots like this countering a legitimate argument with childish ones.

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Childish? Sounds like satire to me.

7 pages of useless topic in 2 days, right? Just another good day on CoasterBuzz! Someone should close this topic, and stop posting on which park is better, really get a life! ;) I was watching the war, but now its boring.

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Impulse-ive said:

Tambo, while you have seemingly proven the root of the argument, you must be a fan boy just trying to blindly support the park, because could it possibly be, you're defending the park objectively, and better yet, with facts?

The 68 rides thing is a absolute joke anyway, probably 15-20 of them are the same stupid kiddie ride that's a 10' circle with various types of tubs attached to the end of arms with buzzers that make an ungodly racket that makes me feel really bad for any of the ride ops stuck near that all day. Their real "ride" count is more like in the upper 30s or lower 40s. Figured I'd give another go at trying to show certain people that not everyone who enjoys going to Cedar Point blindly defends their every move, but it'll probably fall on deaf ears.

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Kiddie rides:

CP = 23
Morey's = 20

Total "real" rides:

CP 68 - 23 = 45
Morey's 66 - 20 = 46

So are you happy now? Morey's wins by a country mile!

Tambo

Who can't wait to visit Morey's - hopefully this summer.

*** Edited 5/13/2005 12:48:56 PM UTC by tambo***

I hope you get to Morey's this summer- you'll be in for a very nice treat. Many people seem to "ignore" the Piers when they really comprise one of the finest amusement parks in the nation. There are tons of flat rides, a few darkrides, two great waterparks and an outstanding CCI wood coaster- that's on top of the one-of-a-kind Wildwood beach & boardwalk atmosphere. And even on weekend nights, the lines don't get ridiculously long, despite the fact that it is one of the most attended amusement parks in the country. I always have a great time there, despite being somewhat biased.

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Agent Johnson said:
Morey's rides are all over the beach. No water under anything, unless you count the Great NorEaster built over 1 of their 2 waterparks.

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LOL, but there was water under the flume, which went UNDER (!) the Pier, which was the coolest - and kinda spooky...:)

I should make Morey's and CP this year....who wins? I DO! :)