Not picking a fight, just nitpicking...
FRANTIC PAGE: Sir, it's just come to our attention that another park has more rides than Cedar Point!
CEDAR FAIR CEO: Good Lord! Cancel all commercials immediately! We mustn't broadcast these wicked lies to the innocent children of this great country!
(2 weeks later)
CEDAR POINT COMMERCIAL: Cedar Point - more rides than anyplace on the planet, except for Morey's Pier! And we also think Fun Spot has more pieces of different rides than we have rides, so there's that. And also, there may be more rides in Purgatory, which some think is in the core of the earth, so we'll just throw that in there too! But otherwise, we're pretty sure we can make that claim accurately! Get to the Point!!11!!one
Silly as it may sound for me to dispute CP's claim, I feel it's a claim they shouldn't make. It's like marketing a 250 hp. car as the most powerful in its class when another has 260 hp.
Its not like CP is falsely advertising the admission is free everyday this season.
Oh...and Geauga Lake adds are almost non-existant in comparison. Sure they're on the radio with some of the adds, but still way behind all the Cement Point spots being aired. And it's the same crap as on TV. Voted best park seven years in a row...best rides....best coasters.....sheesh. Had enough yet?
I was at Geauga Lake Saturday and also on Sunday for a bit. The park was empty, while the *mistake on the lake* was crowded with people we were told. No wonder, they don't advertise Geauga Lake like they do that concrete and steel jungle because it's not as important....apparantly. Now if the numbers aren't at Geauga Lake this year, they can say what they want but it's their own damn fault!!
Wood Coaster Fan Club - "Sharing a Passion for the Classics"
Some of you seem to think that Dick Kinzel and the rest of the gang sit in an office somewhere thumping their chest with joy. If you have actually spent any time talking to any of those folks, and they are people that would talk to you, you'd know that they couldn't be further from that image. I've never met executives in any other public company, and I've worked in a few, that have the same passion and respect for their business and their customers.
But some of you confuse marketing with ego. Same story every year.
I like the fact that the big boys like Cedar Point or Great Adventure advertise hard and heavy - they're bound to increase revenue, and therefore spend the big coin on high end rides that people like us can ride for very little cash, respectively.
I say let all make all the claims they want. We'll have places to ride multi-million dollar rides. And if it gets to overwhelming, just head to Indiana Beach or Fun Spot. ;) *** Edited 5/11/2005 1:09:12 AM UTC by Chaindog***
To being an "us" for once - instead of a "them".
"A pretty nice amusement park"
"Just as many rollercoasters as Magic Mountain"
"Almost as many rides as Morey's 3 piers combined"
"Some decent shows"
"You might actually like it"
I don't understand what the issue is here, how this can be left up to interpretation- Morey's Piers clearly has more rides than Cedar Point, so why is it okay for them to make a statement that is clearly false? If I owned a restaurant and advertised my steaks were the biggest in town when a place right down the block serves larger steaks, I would be wrong. If I owned an airline and advertised my fares as the cheapest when another airline has even cheaper fares, I would be wrong. Why is Cedar Point not wrong if the claim to have more rides than any other park when the truth is that they don't?
I'm sure that Cedar Point is run by a group of people passionate about what they do and I can respect that, but I think that some of you let that cloud your judgement regarding the park. Just because the park receives tons of praise doesn't mean that they are exempt from criticism. And I thought that I took this stuff way too seriously!
And Jeff, while I'm not saying this is a case of confusing marketing with ego, there are plenty of examples of that happening. Marketing in the hands of the wrong people has proven to be pretty disatrous at times!
Morey's is often overlooked, but they do equal attendance as the Point, have better hotels, (8), better employee housing, the free ocean, better games, and hands down better food.
Cedar Point does have great history, the coasters, I would not pass up a chance to visit ever. Cedar Point, like Morey's made a lot of the right moves at the right time.
My advice to you park enthusiasts. Visit the Point, Morey's, and Great Adventure. Just not during the weekend. *** Edited 5/11/2005 3:52:35 AM UTC by Agent Johnson***
What I think is funny is this:
Will Cedar Po!nt market Top Thrill Dragster as the Tallest, Fastest coaster in the world this year, now that Kingda Ka is built? Didn't they market Milly as the same once it was done even though there are 2 coasters (opinions of enthusiasts not accounted for here) in California and Australia that were both taller?
So, if CP markets TTD as the tallest and fastest on signs around the park this year, how many people will be bothered by that, even though John Q. Public won't know about Kingda Ka in Jersey, is it still right?
What I was getting at was this:
If Cedar Point still markets TTD as the Tallest, Fastest coaster, like they say that they have the most rides, even though neither are true as of right now, then, technically, they're wrong. I have a feeling that people would be upset if CP still claimed TTD was tallest/fastest, but they turn a blind eye because having more attractions/rides is somehow different, even though both statements are a fallacy.
I'd be a 'whiny enthusiast' as well if they did, that was the point. People can't understand why Rob would dare come here and say something like this, when the same people would be whining if CP didn't recognize that Kingda Ka is quite larger and slightly faster.
What I'm getting at is I don't think Rob was being the 'whiny enthusiast', he noticed something, brought it to attention, then gets attacked because he pointed out the fact that, technically speaking, Cedar Point isn't correct. Gasp! It is Blasphemey! Though, if the tables were turned, and they said TTD was still Tallest/Fastest, the enthusiast community would self implode at the thought...
Agent Johnson: I agree that staying away from CP and Great Adventure on the weekends is a good idea but I have never had a problem with Morey's Piers on a Friday or Saturday night. I've been vacationing in Wildwood ever year of my life and I can't ever recall waiting for than 15 minutes for a ride. The boardwalk gets packed but with excellent crews and all rides run to capacity, long lines rarely seem to materialize. That's one of the things I love about the place!
It never ceases to amaze me how many people jump to the defense of Cedar Point as soon as someone challenges something about the park.
What's even more predictable is how many people will jump all over Cedar Point and their lowly minions whenever given the opportunity, even to the point of nitpicking to lure them into a fight.
"Morey's Piers operates three amusement piers and two beachfront waterparks." ... yeah, but they're really close together.
Come on. Is that the best you can do to bait the CP fanboys?
It'll be interesting to see what their site says about TTD a week into Ka's opening though...
I'm sure you guys will be sitting at your computers the moment the first public train launches, ready to pounce.
Walt Schmidt - Co-Publisher, PointBuzz
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