Legitimate issue with Cedar Point claim

Yes, lets end it. Morey's has 72 NJ Dept of Community Affairs Rides that are certified, 2 climbing walls, 1 4-1 Turbo Bungee, 2 leased go kart tracks, 5 upcharge pay attractions, and a helicopter ride. Total count: 83. Even the latest issue of Amusement Today last issue listed Morey's at 71 rides.

A lot of ads are false...and they get away with it.

...Which 3 out of 4 dentists are they including in their claims?

This headache medicine works better than that one...(for some people, maybe)

Heals 20% faster...(than what?)

(As low as) Only $10.00.

Ect.

I'm no fanboy of any park, but I can reconize false/misleading/hard to understand claims from an advert when I see one.

How can anyone have the opinion that Morey's isn't an amusement park? That doesn't make any sense. Can I claim that it is my opinion that McDonalds isn't a resturaunt because they serve fast food? McDonalds is a resturaunt, which is a fact, not an opinion.

Morey's is an Amusement park, which is a fact, not an opinion.

I'm much more interested in why anyone, including me, responded to this thread in the first place. I feel so dirty ;)

- Anytime someone says something positive about another park with out adding the discliamer "even thought CP does it better," is baiting.

Even though Disney blows away anything Cedar Point has ever done. Well, with the exception of records, but again, who really cares but 'Park X Fanboy' if a park has a record?

Very nice post. Too bad everyone else has their panties so bunched up that they'll likely miss the humor in that post. Well, except Gonch, cause he still doesn't 'get it', by his own admission;).

There's lots of enthusiast things I don't 'get' - like Nitro. ;)

Same here (well, except Nitro, I'll let you know in June). I mean, that was what I was saying in the first place, who cares? Well obviously someone does, but I don't feel he was 'baiting' anybody.

Just like the tallest, fastest coaster debate. I've ridden both currently operating footers. One was so boring, I almost asked for my time back, the other only has the launch and a pop of air at the top going for it, as well as both having hideous down time.

My 2 favorite coasters, #1 Phantom's Revenge and #2 Swamp Fox break no records at the time of my riding them, but both give me what I like. But in all honesty, I hate ranking my coasters. It usually comes down to either "yeah, I liked it", or "hey, that sucked".

And why would I waste a lot of time at CP riding all of the rides they do have when they have Gemini just yelling my name in the back of the park?

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TeknoScorpion said:

Even though Disney blows away anything Cedar Point has ever done.

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This is ironic because the one company in the world who makes the most possibly false claims just to make themselves look better that are unsubstantiated in the eye of the beholder is Disney. They are perhaps one of the greatest marking machines in the world simply because their product inspires such fierce loyalty, and anything that they approve of automatically inspires fierce loyalty (sound familiar?). Personally, I hate, despise, and would like to see fail, all things Disney. I think they are second-rate or lower in just about every category that is entertainment related, but that's my opinion.

You don't see me saying things like this in reaction to EVERY single positive Disney comment.

I think that threads like these always attack "fan boys" of Cedar Point like me, but a term that was coined earlier, the critic-boys, are so absolutely consumed with pointing out everything "fan boys" do as blind support for their homepark, and unsubstantiated claims, that no one can actually defend Cedar Point when someone makes a claim against them.

I think that a thread that starts off with someone saying "I believe that Cedar Point is wrong to advertise that they are in Sandusky, OH" would turn into something just like this because someone that is labelled with the "fan boy" thing would pop up in the 2nd or 3rd post and say something like "hey, I drive to Sandusky when I'm going there, so that must be where it is" and all the critic-boys (and a lot of the supposed "neutral" people too) will start jumping down people's throats about blind defense, and what about X park and what about Y park. And from that point on, if anyone says anything even remotely in support of the fact that Cedar Point is in Sandusky, the critic-boys and "neutrals" label them as stupid, idiot fan boys, totally discount anything they have to say, and start firing more salvos at a place that they can't stand because of the fact that in many people's minds, it is the best (and that doesn't match their interpretation of "the best").

Hope my ramblings make sense.

Thanks, Brett. I was hoping someone else would get it.

Where did the term "fanboy" come from? I enjoy talking about Cedar Point because it is the park I have most visited (WDW is right there too) and I used to work there.

But, that doesn't mean I will blindly support everything they do and criticize all other parks. I love the business...even if Cedar Fair doesn't run all of the parks. Actually, I love it more because Cedar Fair doesn't run all the parks. I don't want to go to 50 different Cedar Points.

I have seen Jeff be as critical as anyone towards the Point and I can guarantee you I have my criticisms.

It is just that this topic seems pretty minor in the great amusement park debates. *** Edited 5/12/2005 12:36:56 PM UTC by wahoo skipper***

No, that isn't it. The issue is not somebody being upset because park x doesn't get the recognition it deserves and park y gets too much. The point is to point out and discuss the excesses of advertising.

I don't care how many rides each park has. My favorite parks don't even come close to meeting a record. But I really have a problem with stupid, misleading, and largely meaningless advertising. Who doesn't pick up an issue of Consumer Reports and turn immediately to the "Selling It" page? It's interesting (for me anyway) to read and discuss the lengths companies will go to advertise and sell a product.

If this forum was around 70 or 80 years ago wouldn't we all be critical of a park claiming their 65 foot high new coaster went 100mph? How are Cedar Point's false claims any different?

Why does everything have to be reduced to fanboy vs. criticboy? And why is it only Disney and Cedar Point discussions that end up that way?

You know...Cedar Point PR folks are pretty approachable. Why doesn't someone just ask them, "on what grounds do you make the claim?" In the past they have given reasons.

When it came to "tallest coaster" Janice often said that Cedar Point didn't consider Superman to be comparable to Magnum so they could justify their claim. Now, you can debate that but at least you knew where the park stood. Why not in this case as well? I suspect Jeff could get an answer...though I'm not sure he would waste his time doing so.

Best piece of advertising I've seen lately was a piece of junk mail I got about getting a home equity loan. In big bold print -- "You are qualified for up to $250,000 or more". Just the most assinine piece of junk I think I've ever read.

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McDonalds is a resturaunt, which is a fact, not an opinion.

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I think to be a restaurant, you have to serve actual "food".

When it comes to coasters I don't consider something like Wicked Twister to be a coaster either. But that's a whole other topic!

Wow, this thing is still alive? I'm impressed. I figured it would be at the bottom of the page by morning.

I find it pretty humorous that people accuse me of "baiting the fanboys" by starting a thread that disputes Cedar Point's claim of having "the most rides on the planet." That just goes to show that whenever anything negative is said about CP, there is going to be an automatic response by a group of people on this site that defends the park blindly and without justification. In fact, if I had started this thread in order to pick a fight (which I didn't), I could say the the result was exactly what I would have expected... if it was scripted it couldn't have been any more perfect!

How anyone can accuse Morey's Piers of being anything less than a true amusement park is beyond me. So what if it consists of three piers? Does anyone count SFKK as two parks because it's divided by a highway? And while I have never bothered to count, I find it highly unlikely that half of the Piers' rides are for kids- I think Morey's has one of the most comprehensive adult ride collections in the industry and anyone who's been there can surely attest to that. Saying that Morey's Piers isn't an amusement park worthy of being compared to Cedar Point shows just how arrogant some fanboys can be- those are the people that deserve to be called fanboys, the ones that show automatic distaste for anything that isn't on the lake in Sandusky.

Of course, none of this answers my original question- how can CP claim to have more rides than any other park in the world when the truth is, they don't? If the Guiness Book of Records verifies that Great Adventure has the most rides, that just further proves that CP can't honestly make that claim. And who cares if it really matters? I could probably claim to be the tallest person in the world and no one would care- but does that make it okay for me to do that?

And I was expecting Gonch to make a Nitro dig at some point... thanks for not letting me down ;)

You ask how the thread is still alive when you started it and keep replying to it? OK...

The sarcastic comment from Jeff... NOW it's perfect enough to have been scripted.

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Does anyone count SFKK as two parks

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At least it has a gate. You really think that Morey's is no different than Hersheypark, Dorney, Great Adventure, Great Escape or any other traditional, gated amusement park? Using the McDonalds analogy, that's like saying the ice cream stand down the street is a restaurant, even if it's the world's largest ice cream stand spread over 5 city blocks.

Is Cedar Point a theme park because it has Frontiertown? Ah, remembering the old r.r-c days. :)

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the ones that show automatic distaste for anything that isn't on the lake in Sandusky.

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Just as you and others show automatic distaste for anything that is on the lake in Sandusky. You're doing the same thing that you're complaining about, only in reverse. Which, despite the stupid argument, was really my point from the start.

*** Edited 5/12/2005 1:55:10 PM UTC by Gemini***

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Rob Ascough said:
And I was expecting Gonch to make a Nitro dig at some point... thanks for not letting me down

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For making only two posts in this thread consisting of a total of three sentences (none of which address the topic directly), I’m quite pleased with the impact my thoughts have had. That’s efficiency! ;)

I have to admit I was just blowing this off as stupid, but for some reason just decided to click the link in the original post.

The actual quote from the CP site says:

“Cedar Point is a 364-acre amusement park/resort that is home to the most rides (68) and roller coasters (16) on Earth.”

First off it doesn’t technically say they have the most rides on Earth. It says they have the most rides and roller coasters.

Stop and think a second about the cunning wording. That simply means that CP has the most rides and roller coasters. (a total of 84)

I think that’s a true claim. Do any parks have a total collection of rides and roller coasters that equals 84?

You guys are reading the line as if it were worded:

“Cedar Point is a 364-acre amusement park/resort that is home to the most rides (68) and the most roller coasters (16) on Earth. “

There is a difference and this is exactly what marketing people get paid to do. :)

EDIT - Using the CP wording and the ride lists/stats from the official sites, Morey's has 77 rides and coasters and SFGAdv has 58. (excluding any error in my quick counting :) )

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Frankly, if Rob had just kept his mouth shut after the first reply instead of making sarcastic "CP defender" accusations, I think this thread would have turned into a real discussion. That's why some people have the impression it was a deliberate "bait", especially since it was obvious Rob was waiting to pounce.

Personally I take any advertising by any company with a grain of salt and would only get upset if I really COUNTED on something that was advertised. I doubt many people go to a park and specifically count rides to insure the claim is correct. That's something limited only to enthusiasses.

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Gemini said:

You really think that Morey's is no different than Hersheypark, Dorney, Great Adventure, Great Escape or any other traditional, gated amusement park?

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Yeah, it is no different. Knoebels isn't a gated park, offering free admission and both ride tickets and POP wristband options, yet I don't think anyone on this site in their right mind is going to say that it's any "less" of a park than Hershey or Great Adventure.

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Just as you and others show automatic distaste for anything that is on the lake in Sandusky.

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When did I express any harsh distaste for Cedar Point? All I was doing was calling them on a false claim they made regarding a record they hold. While I hardly consider CP one of my favorite parks, there is a lot there that I enjoy and if you think I have something against the park, you're reading what you want to read, not what I'm actually typing. I'm nothing compared to others on this site- it's not like I start talking crap about the park every day on this site. Look through my history of posts and try to find another CP thread I started- I'm sure you won't find one.

And that's a good call Gonch, I never even thought of it that way. Of course, now I can accuse the park of deceptive wording instead of falsification of facts! ;)