Legitimate issue with Cedar Point claim

I wouldn't label it a "weak attempt" because if it was an attempt, it certainly worked very well. I challenged a Cedar Point claim and a couple of fanboys immediately came to the rescue of the park. And Gemini, how could anyone not assume you are a fanboy? Your name says it all.

I can't believe how difficult this is for some people to realize and accept. Cedar Point claims to have more rides than any other park "on the planet" (their words, not mine), even though using the same basic criteria they use to count rides reveals that another park in NJ actually does. We're not talking state fairs or carnivals here, Gemini- we are talking bonafide amusement parks. Again, it's all in Cedar Point's claim of having the most rides of any amusement park on the planet.

I wanted an intelligent conversation with enthusiasts... what I got was a pissing match with a few Cedar Point diehards that refuse to entertain the idea that their favorite park should be held accountable for a false claim they make. Some of you are missing the point entirely.

*** Edited 5/11/2005 2:23:55 PM UTC by Rob Ascough***

I honestly don't believe that the average park attendee sees a commercial for CP advertising the biggest and tallest or most rides and them saying, well, I won't go to _____ park because anything under 150 feet sucks. That's bull. Average park attendees couldn't care less about world records. People go based on previous experience or word of mouth. I never heard of CP until the '90's when my brother and uncle decided they would give them a try. It was only by what they had said about the park that got me to go, not some ad (not add) on T.V. Not to say that the ads don't work, but it weighs in a lot less than some would think.

Just as it's your opinion that Morey's is a bona fide amusement park, it is my opinion that, as an un-gated entertainment area, it is not. It's presumptuous of you to say Cedar Point is making a "false claim," as if what you said was an undeniable fact.

Of course, I'll be accused of only having that opinion because it favors my beloved Cedar Point. That was part of my point in the first place.

In no way does he signify that he was trying to bait the fanboys. Actually he says quite the opposite. And his posts prove to be consistent with what he is saying. I think that in my limited experience that any park that make such claims as the park with the most rides is just using a marketing scheme to appeal to the general public, not people like us that will go to the park anyway. I am not saying it is right. Actually I believe it can and should be considered false advertising.

And now, it's time for Fun with our Fingers. It's a math quiz anyone can take! Come on, it's easy! As Rob Schneider would say, you can do eeeeeeet! Oh, don't be shy...I'll even give you hints!

1) How many parks have the world's beegest, fastest rolly coaster?

(BIG HINT: Raise your index finger)

2) How many parks have the mostest rolly coasters?

(TOUGHIE: Put up another finger)

3) How many adult coasters does the latest Applause Award winning park have?

(Shhhhh, don't do nuffin! Keep two fingers up!)

4) How many parks even care to debate having the most rides?

(I know, I know, your two fingers are getting really sore. Hang in there!)

5) How many parks have gone under because they didn't have the biggest, fastest, mostestestestest?

(Okay NOW put them down)

And now the bonus question:

6) How many people give a crap?

Hey wait! Rob, put your finger back up!

-CO

*** Edited 5/11/2005 2:36:47 PM UTC by CoastaPlaya***

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Gemini said:

Doesn't matter what I say, I'd be automatically labeled a fanboy.

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Actually, you automatically labeled yourself with your user name and the plug for the park (or one of its sites acually) in your signature.

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Gemini also said:

Just as it's your opinion that Morey's is a bona fide amusement park, it is my opinion that, as an un-gated entertainment area, it is not.

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And that is your opinion. Can't compare things to Cedar Point (never been there), but I can say that, given the chance, I would rather go to that "ungated entertainment" down by the Jersey Shore in Wildwood than the nearest Cedar Fair amusement park to it in Allentown PA.

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TecnoScorpion said:

the funny thing about that is, Rob wasn't 'baiting' anybody

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But he was... at least by the CP Fan Boy deffinition.

- Anytime someone says anything slighty negative about something at CP, it is baiting.

- Anytime someone says something that implies another park does something better than CP, it is baiting.

- Anytime someone says something positive about another park with out adding the discliamer "even thought CP does it better," is baiting.

- Anytime someone says that the the tallest coaster is at Six Flags Great Adventure, it is baiting. Fan Boys know that the tallest coaster is technically TTD. Since Sandusky sits 603 feet above sea level while Great Adventure sits only 56 feet above sea level... so adding the 420 feet of TTD to the 603 feet, TTD's acutal altitude is 1,023 feet compared to the mere 512 (456+56) foot altitude of Kingda Ka. Of course, don't point out that by this logic the kiddie coaster at Elitch Gardens is actually 5292.3 feet in height (5280 altitude + 12.3 height of the coaster. Of course there is no reason to bring this up because 1) SF Elitch Gardens is not making that claim, and 2) nothing west of CP matters (nothing north, south or east of it matters either really).

- Anytime that someone says that Copernicus was correct in saying that the earth revolves around the sun is baiting. Fan Boys know for a fact that the earth revolves around a penninsula north of Sandusky Ohio.

*** Edited 5/11/2005 3:10:59 PM UTC by SLFAKE***

My opinion that Morey's is a bonafide amusement park? Give me a break. Six roller coasters, two waterparks, 70+ rides with another dozen or so upcharge attractions, games and food galore, more than 3 million annual visitors- how is that not a bonafide amusement park? Have you ever been to Morey's Piers or is your profile accurate and your amusement park experience limited to three parks? I see you've been to Indiana Beach, which is a lot like Morey's Piers in many ways. Do you consider Indiana Beach to be a bonafide amusement park?

In case you couldn't tell, I am a Morey's fanboy and I have no problem admitting that. But if they made a bogus claim, you certainly wouldn't find me defending them. Being a "fanboy" shouldn't mean turning a blind eye towards reality.

So an ungated park doesn't qualify as an amusement park? What? There are quite a few parks that might take issue with that.

The piers in Wildwood are all owned by the Morey's organization. They function as a single park, ride tickets, wristbands, season passes are good for all the rides (excluding upcharge attractions). And while I'm at it, there are at least 6 hotels, maybe more in Wildwood owned by Moreys so no splitting hairs about Cedar Point being a complete resort blah blah yadda blah.

A better example would be Coney Island because there are multiple parks and independent rides that all operate independently of each other. (anybody know just how many rides are at Coney Island?)

Bottom line: Cedar Point is wrong. The "so whats" and "it doesn't matters" are another discussion entirely.

And I'm not a Cedar Point or a Moreys fanboy.

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Actually, you automatically labeled yourself with your user name and the plug for the park (or one of its sites acually) in your signature.

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Which apparently means my opinion is automatically tainted. That what bothers me most about criticboys, and again, was my point through all of this. That, and the fact that Rob was looking for a pissing match. The "most rides" argument was just an amusing afterthought.

What does my lack of amusement park visits have to do with anything? I'm very proud of the fact that I'm NOT a coaster enthusiast. Even more so now!

North Carolina State Fair wins.

*** Edited 5/11/2005 2:47:39 PM UTC by Gemini***

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CoastaPlaya said:

6) How many people give a crap?

Hey wait! Rob, put your finger back up!

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Which finger was I supposed to put down?

So let me get this straight- what you're saying is that because Cedar Point has won all kinds of awards, that makes it okay for them to advertise themselves any way they want? In that case, why not let them claim to be the planet's largest park? Oldest park? Most beautiful park? I mean, they won the freakin' Applause Award umpteen times... that gives them the right to claim whatever they want, right?

I won't even touch your claim that hundreds of other parks have closed because they couldn't claim to have the "-est" anything. That's pretty ignorant from someone who parades around as the defender of the obvious.

And Gemini, your lack of amusement experience has everything to do with this debate when you say a park like Morey's Piers isn't a park when you haven't even been there. My point: Stick with what you know.

*** Edited 5/11/2005 2:54:47 PM UTC by Rob Ascough***

I'm sorry, Rob. I'll promise to leave the geek discussion to the nerds if you promise to lose the criticboy attitude.

What criticboy attitude? Are some parks supposed to have some sort of superstar status that makes them immune from criticism?

Cedar Point has stupid and wrong advertising. Rob's calling them out on it. What's wrong with that?

I guess love really is blind.

What criticboy attitude would that be? You're the one not making sense (especially now that you're name-calling). I'm trying to figure out your logic here and nothing more.

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Rob Ascough said:

Okay, okay... I'll play a game. I have a finger extended... care to guess which one? I'll give you a hint- it's not my index finger!

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Lemme guess: The one that could best clear whatever crawled up your backside and died?

But here's some good news: You made Ironic Post of the Week!

We just heard this:

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And Gemini, your lack of amusement experience has everything to do with this debate

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from a guy who apparently lacks READING experience!

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I won't even touch your claim that hundreds of other parks have closed because they couldn't claim to have the "-est" anything. That's pretty ignorant from someone who parades around as the defender of the obvious.

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The answer to that question was ZERO. Hay-Zeus Marimba! I even gave you BIG HINTS!

-CO

You act like CP is this evil empire out to rule the world and Morey's is here just to have fun. They both exist to make money.

And as Gemini has said, Guiness recognizes CP as the park with the most rides, who is CP to disagree?

geeze, people breathe a little it is just an amusement park!

Actually, it's SFGADV by them. Run!

Lucky you, folks with massive fecal impactions can't give chase all that quickly...

-CO

My mistake... unlike most people taking part in this thread, I can admit when I'm wrong. But you'll have to excuse me as it's sometimes difficult to sift through all of the sarcastic b.s. that shoots from your fingers and into your keyboard sometimes.

My point remains the same- I don't see how CP's "elite" status makes them invincible to criticism and gives them the right to claim whatever they want. Can someone explain that to me, in non-sarcastic terms that my "lacking reading experience" mind can understand?

Wow, the only thing missing is a box of popcorn!

Has anyone from Morey's made an issue of this? Seriously. Do their PR folks have some kind of concern that I haven't heard about?

No, Morey's seems to be above making dubious claims for the sake of making themselves sound more appealing.

*** Edited 5/11/2005 3:03:53 PM UTC by Rob Ascough***