Legitimate issue with Cedar Point claim

Where is it actually written somewhere other than the park websites how many rides they have? Are you basing this on your own experience counting every ride in the park?

I dont really see anyone coming to Cedar's rescue dude, I just see you taking anyone that laughs at you to be a fanboy that must be "defending" CP.

Another coaster geek pissin' match. Let me pull up a chair to watch.

On the other hand, I'll pass.

Ok so Cedar point could say:

Most Rides on One Property!

Does that make everyone happy? Since no way is Morey's one property.

Walt, the funny thing about that is, Rob wasn't 'baiting' anybody. You sound like the one baiting to me.

I could care less about how many actual rides or attractions both Cedar Point (a Darn fine park, btw) and Morey's Piers (never been there, but looks fun) have. I don't really even care that CP is claiming something that may not be true. I think it was Gonch that couldn't understand the enthusiast POV of having to numeralize everything, staticize (a word?) everthing, etc.

What I think is funny is that someone points something out and people get defensive about whatever park it is. Try my POV, I don't have a Home Park to be a fanboy of.

Rob never once tried to fight with anybody, but it seems as though the CP Minion Brigade came out in full force against him, though I think he handled himself in a classy manner. Now that is pathetic. Where's that *Rolls Eyes* smiley?

It is a shame that I have to disagree with someone named after the best coaster at the point.

Thanks Tekno. You made me remember something I was taught in college way long ago. OK only 10 years ago, but in today's world that's way long ago.

Statistics are numbers meant to lie.

And words like most, best, least, worst are all subjective.

So let's all just agree to disagree about CP and it's claims ;)

P.S. I hated statistics class. *** Edited 5/11/2005 12:36:52 PM UTC by dragonoffrost***

I disagree, TeknoScorpion. He knew exactly what would happen if he posted his message and he got the reaction he was looking for (re: his second post in this thread).

The criticboys are equally as annoying and tiresome.

At least we agree on the best coaster. :) *** Edited 5/11/2005 12:48:45 PM UTC by Gemini***

I know I 'll be watching. The one thing that bothers me, did anyone think that it was an advertising method to bring people in. Even if the Morey's Pier's has more rides, Cedar Point would still market it it to be the best, simply because it is the best. I'll keep nuetral on this one. *pulls up a chair for the geek fight* Oh, and Morey's Piers is a good park too! I want to see how this turns out....

You know what I'm sick of hearing? The way people defend dubious claims as just "marketing and advertising so get over it." Advertising is crap and what makes it crap is that it is mostly wrong. Am I only person who has a problem with one company trying to get ahead by lying about their competitors?

Furthermore, it bothers me that advertising for amusement parks seems to focus on the things that don't matter. Most rides? Who cares? Various "'ests?" Who cares? Having the most or the tallest doesn't make you the best. You'd have a hard time finding anybody around here who doesn't love Holiday World and what records have they broken? How much dubious advertising do they do?

This constant focus on having the most or the biggest dilutes the amusement park experience. It trains people to focus on the wrong things and you end up with people who will automatically think that anything under 150 feet that doesn't go 90 mph is crap. We all know that's not true but average Joe park-goer is bombarded with that message all the time, and since he probably doesn't visit parks as often as we do, what is he supposed to think? Whatever the ads tell him that's what.

Cedar Point's silly dubious claims may be good for Cedar Point's bottom line but I think it hurts the industry as a whole. It sure doesn't help their credibility.

Cedar Point - silliest advertising on the planet!

Oh, get over it, it doesn't hurt anybody that Cedar Point claims to have more rides, not Morey's Piers, and not the industry at large. It is a business, and the only thing to worry about is the bottom line, if they want to stay in business and provide coasters for you to ride, and as I said before, do you really think John Q. Public really cares about their credibility? They probably don't know nor do they care about the taller coaster or the park with more rides. That was never my point.

I don't go to an amusment/theme park because they're credible, I go because they have a nice place to visit. Check out the 'Great Park' thread for reasons.

And to Gemini, actually, I don't really think Rob was baiting anybody. I know Rob. He isn't like that. Were he baiting anybody, his response would have been far worse. If I had noticed the same thing, I'd have brought it up for discussion here, and I really wouldn't be baiting anybody, because I really don't care about fan boys.

And if Jeff really thought it was a baiting anti-CP thread, we all know he'd have nuked it in a heart beat ;).

But yea, Gemini is still the best coaster at the point, and there aren't any hard feelings seeing as how you agree ;).

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Gemini said:
I disagree, TeknoScorpion. He knew exactly what would happen if he posted his message and he got the reaction he was looking for (re: his second post in this thread).

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The sad thing is, I *did* expect this to happen... I pointed out something about Cedar Point that I disagree with and expected every CP fanboy and girl to crawl out of the woodwork and defend their precious park. Still, part of me hoped to spark an intelligent conversation where people could set aside their obvious park biases and talk like *amusement* enthusiasts and not Cedar Point enthusiasts. I guess I was hoping for too much.

I don't feel like getting into an arguement so you can say what you want about me coming here to start a fight. All I will say is that the statistics I used were ones I got from each parks' website, hence the links in my very first post. I'm pointing out what each park is saying, it's not like I'm making this stuff up for the sake of entertainment.

And Tekno's right... if I did come here to start a fight, my response would have been a lot different!

*** Edited 5/11/2005 1:24:57 PM UTC by Rob Ascough***

Right, Rob said he expected it, but he wasn't looking for it. Forgot to say that earlier.

They can say what they want -- they don't have to be right. When I rode MF broke records in May 2000, CP made adds and banners and all kinds of promotional materials. Those banners and promotional items were still on display after Steel Dragon 2000 broke the MF records in August 2000. In fact, I don't think they were changed until TTD came on the scene.

Anyone can say whatever they want, but that doesn't mean it makes it okay to make false claims. It is one thing to promote what you can, it's another to promote what you shouldn't. If SFMM built a 17th coaster, would that make it okay for Cedar Point to still claim they have the most coasters of any park in the world?

And those banners were lying as of 1997 anyhow .

;) *** Edited 5/11/2005 1:39:34 PM UTC by TeknoScorpion***

One more topic in my, "who gives a rat's a$$" pile.

I guess you do since you bothered to not only look at the thread but also post?

Good point. It reminds me of when one of my professors took the time to email me telling me he did not have time to read the email i sent him. It would have been a lot better if he would have just read it and moved on with his life.

It was a weak attempt to bring out the fanboys. And as eightdotthree pointed out, it didn't even happen.

I could say that the North Carolina State Fair had over 100 rides last year. Sure, they're only open for 10 days, but Cedar Point isn't open year round either. Why didn't you take up the case for them? If state fairs don't count, why should un-gated entertainment areas?

Doesn't matter what I say, I'd be automatically labeled a fanboy. Did you only want that intelligent conversation with people who hate Cedar Point? Jeff and others try to make a point, but the criticboys just scream "Fanboy! Fanboy!"

Morey's doesn't advertise that they have the most rides even though they could. In my eyes that makes them more respectable because they understand there is more to it than that. Cheesy marketing gimmicks may work for the bottom line but they are good little else.

And I don't give diddly squat about Cedar Point's bottom line. It means nothing to me. CEdar Points income doesn't automatically it is the end all be all of amusement parks. Heck, Wal-Mart makes money hand over fist, does that mean that store is the best society can do? The things I enjoy most in life are the things that would send stockbrokers into a conniption. The bottom line is not an indication of quality.

Bigger, faster, louder. Is that all that matters?

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Rob Ascough said:
Wow... it took a whole six minutes for someone to come to CP's rescue?

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What? This 300-foot tall coaster isn't at the park with the mostest rides? Get me off this thing immediately!

*unbuckles belt and dives off*

I mean, REALLY.

-CO