GL's Steel Venom probably also on it's way out....

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coasterdude318 said:

It's like trying to argue with McDonald's for calling their hamburger "classic" because the bun has changed since the 50's.

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I had a McDonald's hamburger the other day that must have been a classic. I swear it was sitting under the heat lamps since the 50's.

I love your last line Nate.

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coasterdude318 said:Bingo. Nobody cares what ACE says or what ACE considers a "classic" except for other ACErs.

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I'd go one better and say even ACErs don't care what ACE deems "classic". Kinda like coaster counts, whatever YOU decide is fine for you....even for card-carrying ACE members... ;)

edit: Took a look at the coasters listed as "formerly classic rides" according to the ACE list. I've ridden all the US rides that ACE considers *no longer classic* due to subsequent changes made to the "equipment, design, or operating procedures". The list includes THREE John Miller coasters (Zippin Pippin, Screechin' Eagle, AP's Legend).

I'm not saying ACE is wrong to designate "classic" however ACE ses fit. I *am* saying that if you can find a John Miller operating, and you're HALF the nostalgia freak I am, then you consider those rides "classic", regardless of the addition of seatbelts or whatnot...

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I don't see all the gloom and doom predictions for GL, what i see is CF finally realizing what the heck SIX Flags did to the park and fixing the problem. Notice not once have i read anywhere RWB or Big Dipper was being removed, until i hear about them taking out those rides this whole gloom and doom prediction is stupid.

CF wants to bring the old Geauga Lake back and make it look like Six Flags never existed in that park, i'm guessing, we'll see once CF stabilizes the park some flat rides, well alot of flats some possibly returning to the Park prior to the Six Flags Era.

With all those rides I've mentioned putting in, and X-Flight, people need a reason to go to the other side of the park. I went to the other side of the park, and was severly disappointed. This is without the waterpark of course. I walked all that way (The walking wasn't that bad.) to see some flats, and that's it. So, why not move a ride over there. Of course, now it's gone, and there's nothing you can do about that.

I say still put up the himilaya that they had if it works.

I can also think maybe a few Walk in Restaraunts like Coasters Drive In or Johnny Rockets being put in

Maybe restructuctured buildings for Family shows ,maybe bring Sponge Bob to Geauga, have Sponge Bob on ice Shows.

I also do not think there is a need to forecast "doom and gloom" for GL. The answer is very simple; there are just not enough people going to the park generating the revenue needed to keep the rides. I think many just dont "think through" what keeping a ride means.

It's much like an automobile. Sure there is a big "initial cost", but there is a hell of a lot of maintenence, etc...

Six Flags operated like a McDonalds employee who won $300,000 and decided to go out and buy a ferrari...only to realize the next year that there wasnt enough income coming in to pay for the insurance, the serpentine belt, the tires, and so on...

If you are a fan pf the park, you should see this is welcome news, as it is an indicator that CF is invested in the park's long term future. If the waterpark pays off with annual costs down due to XF and SV gone, then several years down the road a some new attractions will certainly find there way there.

To reiterate a couple other's point, and add a statistical edge: Magnum still gives more rides than any other coaster in the park. It just has and always had spectacular capacity.

I just have a comment. I would think that the Cedar fair decision to remove these rides would not matter to them, considering that they now own the largest parks in Ohio. And, moving these rides to other parks make sense, because they do not need to spend huge amounts of cash on new rides, when they can relocate rides that they already own.

I think the choice of removing SV was a bad choice when there are so many other rides at GL that should be removed. mainly double loop and that Vekoma shuttle loop thing. What's it called now?

This could also be a ploy to sell more Max Passes. If you liked this ride at Geauga Lake, you'll like it even better at kings Island. Or, where-ever we put our new/old attractions.

Hopefully Cedar Fair will not end up doing what Six Flags did. And, disapoint their guests while they offer less for more money.

I did not plan to go to GL again anyways, so no loss for me. I'm more of a Cedar Point, Michigan's Adventure fan anyways.

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rollergator said:

I'd go one better and say even ACErs don't care what ACE deems "classic".

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You got that right. As an ACEr, I never put much stock in what they considered "classic" because I don't think that trains/restraints alone define a classic ride. I also have a hard time swallowing the idea of a new coaster like the Cypress Gardens Triple Hurricane being called a "classic", despite it being a very good ride. I think the proper defination of that coaster would be "a wood coaster operated with classic-style retraints and rolling stock."

But I know what ACE was trying to do. At the time they started to designate rides as "classics", the old-fashioned wood coaster was definitely an endangered species (ironically, as it is as we are discussing this). ACE wanted to give parks the incentive to operate their rides with minimal restraints and the original trains and drawing attention to parks that did that was the best idea they could come up. I can't blame them, despite the fact that the title is a misnomer.

Why would they take out Double Loop? People ride it and its reliable. Plus its the perfect starter coaster for kids to ride and it fits into the "FUN" theme they're trying to achieve.

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Swoosh said:
As long as I still get my GCII next year I don't care. ;)

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Honestly, I think Villain is the one of very few coasters like K Twister that GCII trains could help dramatically.

Chuck

I have no problem with Double Loop. It's one of the better Arrow loopers still around, and it likely requires much less work than more high-tech rides. Unless it gets to the point where it needs to be removed, I doubt it will. Seems like a lot of rides are being removed from one section of the park, probably for a reason.

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rollergator said:
^ "ACE coaster classic" has become an asynchronous way of remembering the nostalgia of the older rides, but the definitions seem completely out-of-place in the real world context...the insurance industry has changed the way wooden coasters are built and operate...

How many wooden coasters get built these days without seat dividers, seatbelts, or individual lapbars...Coney's Cyclone may be in its final days as a coaster classic (I expect seatbelts and/or dividers once "Thor's Classique Coney" opens in a few years) - once that's gone, what's the point of that designation anyway?

I guess what I'm saying is that Pagoda is CLOSE....but it's not only "regaulr people" who don't care how ACE classifies *classics*...enthusiasts see the definitions as out-of-touch as well...

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THOR has nothing to do with how the Cyclone operates. Nothing, It's not owned, operated or controlled by them.

Chuck

Yeah, I'll agree Classics stand the test of time.

Classic ride however I'll fight for or no longer be in this hobby. I kinda Consider Gerstlauers to give a classic ride because there is nothing boxing your body in. You got a lapbar that restricts maximum airtime but you are free to move a bit from side to side.

Sorry but you haven't ridden Legend, Till your riding in the lap of your riding partner :)

As for coasters that were built originally with the boxed seats, Yeah, I guess I can live with it as I never knew what it was like to ride without it.

The coaster I simply go to Geauga for is also their oldest and operated as a classic. I laughed at this coaster the first time I seen it from the road. THAT's it? I said to my brother. Once I rode it and got airtime all over the place. Latteral jogs that moved you from one side of the seat to the other and that turn around that you litterally slide all the way across the seat on. I WAS HOOKED.

Great ride. I hope it always remains so.

GL can get rid of 2 coasters and still have a great park.

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Charles Nungester said:THOR has nothing to do with how the Cyclone operates. Nothing, It's not owned, operated or controlled by them.Chuck

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True, but when the *surrounding area* becomes gentrified, the TENDENCY is for more extreme attractions to get *toned down* to a more family-friendly vibe. Cyclone may get a pass for the first couple years, but the people who ride Cyclone now are LOOKING for an extreme thrill....the more people that come to the area, ride, and complain about the intensity....the more likely we are to see "modifications".

Trust me, I hope that *never* happens. But increasingly, the profit movie becomes THE driving force in how rides are built and operated...

But yet they plan on building a intamin coaster that features EXTREME thrills.

Sorry Gator, I gotta dissagree. In fact, Cyclone might have to lose the trims just to compete :)

Whoever said Magnum is the biggest capacity ride at the Point is wrong I believe ... isn't it Gemini, or did it lose that title when it dropped to 4-car operation?

Wow, surprising news, and unwelcome from my opinion. SV was my favorite ride at this park (X-Flight was #2) but here's a classic example of why this is probably a great move from a business standpoint (even though I'm pissed that the closest coaster of my favorite style is going away); my wife loves GL's waterpark, but frequently doesn't want to go because she's either worried that she's going to bore me because she doesn't like the rides (especially X-Flight and SV) or is worried that I'm going to drag her onto those rides. Now that they're gone, we'll probably go to GL (for the waterpark only) more often this summer, which in the end, brings more money to the park.

I probably won't return to GL other than for a waterpark day or for Oktoberfest (and that more for Warsteiner beer!!) but from the park's business standpoint, that's actually a benefit: they're giving me the same product with less maintenance cost.

Gemini was capable I think I remember Rideman stating 3500 per hour. It was phenominal, I know that much.

Chuck