CP #16 Criticism Unwarranted
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Be polite and ignore the idiots. - rollergator
You must be this dumb to ride Viper. -SFGAdv.
CPLady said:
Or maybe it's because I remember when parks had mostly flat rides, there WERE no steel coasters, and the largest woodies had hills that were under 100 ft.
Does anybody else find it amusing that CPLady has almost described Holiday World exactly? And yet, when has anyone EVER complained about HW?
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I sing sometimes for the war that I fight, 'cause every tool is a weapon, if you hold it right. -Ani Difranco
rollergator said:
How does this all play into CP16...well, UNLESS Intamin has some pretty serious advancements over Xcelerator, this *could* become a serious downtime coaster, something CP isn't gonna be thrilled with....
Why? As best I can tell, the issues with Xcelerator have been worked out. Besides, we're now talking about the park that flies in parts overnight for their premier attractions.
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Granted, CP busts butt at the flagship park to keep the attractions up and running...and I'm sure they'll do the same for #16. I'm just *a little pessimistic* based on what I've seen and heard about Xcelerator....seems to have some *issues*. I have NO doubt that CF will do their VERY best to make sure the downtime isn't the problem at CP that it was at KBF. It seems that the operational issues aren't KEEPING the ride down much at all, but they certainly do seem to have LOTS of small breakdowns where they have to evac, re-set, test, and run. The stoppages seemed to last about a hlaf-hour on average (not that bad, really), it was the FREQUENCY that I'm more concerned about....
Remember though, I'm the same guy who thought CP would have LONG lines for WT, and they never materialized at all....so perhaps the crystal ball needs a cleaning or something, huh?
I'm not trying to get into a fight, or CP vs SFWoA discussion because I think CP is a great park. I'm just pointing out the fact that CP *does* have its problems, as all parks do.
-Nate
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All parks have thier own share of problems. However, I still say the Six Flags Corp. has the absolute WORST problems in the amusement park industry. -They have the WORST ride accident record.
You can bash SF all you want, but when is the last time somebody died at SF due to a ride malfunctioning or an operator error? Also realize that Six Flags parks need to be taken on a park-to-park basis, not as a whole because they're all different, they're treated differently, and the management has different attitudes at each park. Some of them are great (SFGm, SFGAdv) and some of them need a lot of help.
-Nate
All I am saying is where does downtime occur more often..........???
CP will have it running opening day and it will be a show-stopper just like all of the newest, tallest coasters are.
If I'm wrong, sue me for emotional damages! (In this country it could definitely happen....)
*** This post was edited by Craig the Coaster Freak on 12/18/2002. ***
Just to throw this out there... Xcelerator ran perfectly on opening day and then closed down the very next day, and has been off and on ever since.
Most launch coasters take a year or two to work out the kinks, which I'm sure is the reason for the early construction at CP. That, combined with the "holy grounds" on which this coaster will sit, will eliminate all the problems, and the coaster will run flawlessly every day, 24/7. ;)
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*** This post was edited by DWeaver on 12/18/2002. ***
*** This post was edited by DWeaver on 12/18/2002. ***
In my recent experience, Xclerator has been much more consistent. It has been a while since I recall it being down during my visits. Look at California Screamin', it had its issues for while, but I have never seen it down in the last year!
As for CP's 16th, I think it will be a great ride. A little short, but the idea is that every single second of the ride will be thrilling, while most coasters have other things, lifts, trims, turnarounds, that give the rider time to relax. That won't be the case with this one- riders won't catch their breath until they hit the brakes!
The only thing I can think of that I like about Xcelerator that CP's 16th doesn't have is the lack of suppourts on the top hat. There is something about being all alone up on the tophat with no suppourts near you. But I guess with the troubles with Wicked Twister, CP wants to take no chances here. But I don't think anyone would notice unless they have been on both.
Shoot, with the track pretty much done, they could almost get going with the pull-through! (The trains have to be on site this far through construction, right?) Depending on how far done the mechanical systems are, they could potentially start testing not too far into the new year and really work out the bugs. (But, for all I know they maybe haven't started on the ride system!)
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I believe that this new coaster will be a perfect fit for Cedar Point. Sure, it isn't a mile long but CP can't add a coaster like that every two years. I remember before Wicked Twister was built people were complaining that CP didn't have any shorter roller coasters, now the criticism has shifted in the opposite direction. Either way, there are always going to be people who criticize but I love every ride they build so it doesn't affect me much.
The deaths that happen at Disney (such as heart attacks and such) have nothing to do with park safety records.
-Nate
Out of all the positive reviews I've read about Xcelerator, very few of those reviews rave about the overbanked turns. Almost all of the focus was on the Launch/Top Hat. With Cedar Point getting a coaster more than twice as big as Xcelerator, I really don't see why people are complaining...
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Never Has Gravity Been So Uplifting.
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Superman:The Escape(1997-2002) May he one day fly again.
coasterdude318 said:
When is the last time somebody died on an attraction at Disney due to a mechanical failure or operator error? I can't think of anything recently.The deaths that happen at Disney (such as heart attacks and such) have nothing to do with park safety records.
-Nate
Actually it was only a few years ago that there was one death and a couple of injuries when one of the Riverboats pulled a cleat off the dock and it went flying.
I read a lengthy discussion of this in the newest Mousetails book that attributed that accident to the budget tightening at the Mouse House and the preventative maintenance being put on the back burner.
coasterdude318 said:
PittDesigner, many of the rides that were closed at CP that night were certainly *not* for my safety. It was not pouring (on the contrary, it was barely above a sprinkle). MF was down due to the cold, and I could accept that. But having *one* coaster open all night out of fourteen is nothing short of pathetic.
I think you're mistaken. If there's lightning anywhere nearby, they all close. They never close for cold, but do close for wind, as some of them are very prone to rollbacks, particularly if the wind is from the south or southwest.
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I can accept the fact that it was an off-night at CP, and that it is by far the exception and not the rule. I'm just pointing out the fact that it *does* happen to every park once in awhile, even the beloved CP.
-Nate
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