CP #16 Criticism Unwarranted
Well if 96% uptime can be achieved with that many rides being down, then there is no way CP should have top honors. That should either go to Disney or USO. When I had my season pass to USF I was down there about every other weekend. There was one instance when one ride was down at IOA, and that was when Hulk opened late. At USF I was never turned away, and come to think of it, never have been turned away from a ride entrance due to a closure. It was mostly the same at Disney, it wasn't like that back when Test Track and Tower or Terror were new though, but that last few times I've gone over to Disney no ride had been closed or broken down while I was in line. Granted, I don't go to Disney as much, there still were no ride closures.
I still don't see how CP can have any 96% uptime. Redman even if your math is right, having 4 rides closed for 91 days would still be pathetic. Thats over half the season. If a park can do that and getaway with 96% uptime then every park must be able to attain that.
I understand that, IOA. I was using that to help people visualize how many ride/hours 4,400+ hours of downtime was. I did not state that CP (or any park) had a ride down for that long.
Here is another example...Between all of CP's 68 rides, you could have a total of 31 hours and 45 minutes of downtime each day of the season and still hit the 96% uptime mark.
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--George H
---Superman the ride...coming to a SF park near you soon...
Remember IoA, that downtime figure includes weather closures, puking closures, etc. That's not just mechanical failure closures. Includng rainy days, lightning and the occasional person in-over-their-head on the ride, CP still maintains a 96%. That is damn good. Just remember, that means that when its a really bad lightning storm and the entire park has to be shut down, thats 68 rides times however many hours everything is down chopping away at that bulk of "available" hours before it drops below 96.
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1. Kumba 2. Millie 3. Mantis 4. Lightning Racer 5. Wicked Twister (Front Seat)
-- Brett
Wahoo,
That 31 hours, 45 minutes is spread over all 68 rides in the park.
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--George H
---Superman the ride...coming to a SF park near you soon...
Pitt has it right... that includes weather closures. The chances of encountering any ride down are slim to none in good weather. Sure it happens, but it is generally pretty rare. I think this year the only closures I had to deal with other than the Wicked Twister problems during CoasterMania week were Chaos and a Wicked Twister problem where the gate magnets wouldn't lock.
As for Florida parks, I encountered my share of closures, but none significant outside of Pteranadon Flyers, which were closed for seasonal maintenance.
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Oh, got ya. Not that I wouldn't mind having more hours in the day but that makes a little more sense.
Speaking of which, Daylight Savings Time really frosts my butt. The time of year here in Florida when the weather is most comfortable, it gets dark at 5:30. I can't even squeeze in 9 holes after work. Where is the justice?
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1. Kumba 2. Millie 3. Mantis 4. Lightning Racer 5. Wicked Twister (Front Seat)
-- Brett
Wahoo and Pitt,
Daylight Saving Time runs from the first sunday in April through the last Sunday in October. We are in "Standard Time" right now. http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html
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--George H
---Superman the ride...coming to a SF park near you soon...
*** This post was edited by redman822 on 12/20/2002. ***
True, but the closest thing I am going to get to a white Christmas is my father-in-law's dandruff sprikling the presents on Wednesday morning. There is something to be said for the seasons. Of course we have seasons down here too.
Haitian Refugee Season, Cuban Refugee Season, Election Season and Snowbird Season. How I love the French Canadians! They are soooooooooooo friendly!
wahoo skipper said:Haitian Refugee Season, Cuban Refugee Season, Election Season and Snowbird Season. How I love the French Canadians! They are soooooooooooo friendly!
LOL....You must live in Ft. Lauderdale??
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100th coaster....Dania Beach Hurricane!
Whoops, my bad on the times one - you knew what I meant though. Yea, I like snow, I'm a skiier and a hockey player, so that's more my season than summer - but I sitll wouldn't mind a nice round of golf right about now =) But I get a kick out of you Floridians trying to make it seem winterlike around the holidays - cardboard and wooden icicles off of parking garages, fake snow in the malls, real snow carted into the mall from the local ice rink. I'm snickering in my cube just thinking about it.
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1. Kumba 2. Millie 3. Mantis 4. Lightning Racer 5. Wicked Twister (Front Seat)
-- Brett
Close to Ft. Lauderdale, yes. I don't do the fake snow at home but I do plan on leaving my freezer open on Christmas morning. Maybe I will crank the A/C down to 60 too.
Back to the topic at hand, I wish I were closer to the Point though when this #16 opens. All of the critics can take a flying leap right off the top for all I am concerned. It looks like one heck of a ride.
The only thing coasterdude did was make a point that ALL parks suffer problems, not just SF, and EVEN CP, which is popularly thought of as perfect suffers some dsficiencies. I cannot help but think that if the trip described had been to a SF there would not have been a tide of defensive replies but quite the opposite. Being fairly new to the site, it has become more and more apparent that there is a definite CP bias.
The point is, he didn't even slag off CP and indeed went out of his way to emphasize that he thinks its great, but there was an avalanche of overprotective replies, some of which were obviously made by people who hadn't properly read Coasterdude's posts. Almost as if some people saw a negative CP reference, didn't bother looking at the context, and jumped in trying to defend it against accusations that hadn't been made. For example, someone said that CP was being responsible by having rides closed in bad weather. Obviously true and everyone knows it, but the criticism wasn't about this, it was about the fact that there wasn't a sign outside the park saying so before people payed money to go in.
The only point that was being made was that ALL parks and chains are prone to the odd problem and deficiency.
Still, it was a fun thread to read! Great site too.
Of course all parks have problems, but our beloved park has fewer. They're the benchmark, the best, and for some reason people try to deny them that. Of course there's a bias toward the best... there always is.
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Wahoo,
Do you have any basis/proof for the statement that if a lift hill chain broke it would take a month to repair it if it was at a Six Flags park?
I admit some SF parks need improvement, but to bash a whole chain of parks based on an "enthusiass" mentality just is not right.
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--George H
---Superman the ride...coming to a SF park near you soon...
wahoo skipper said:
If that happend at many of the Six Flags parks, I wouldn't be surprised if the ride was down for a month or longer.
You will notice that I didn't say ALL Six Flags parks. I said many. There is a difference.
By the way, I am not an enthusiass. I am a theme park insider who got out but knows a few things. There is a difference.
*** This post was edited by wahoo skipper on 12/20/2002. ***
There was a statement made earlier in the thread, it might have been by coasterdude, I'm not sure, that ride closures are part of the amusement park experience, and I think that is where the divide comes in that is evident in this thread. Anyone whose homepark is Cedar Point (or considers CP their homepark as they're there the most) does not feel that ride closures are part of the experience. Ride closures are something to be annoyed with, they're something that shouldn't happen. Cedar Pointers (fanboys if you will) don't believe that kind of a statement.
For people that have homeparks in the Six Flags chain and some other non-corporate parks, you *are* used to downtime, its part of the routine. So when you see a ride or two down, its normal for you, but trust me, not all of us consider downtime part of the experience, and you'll probably find most of those people are from the Eastern Ohio/Western PA area.
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1. Kumba 2. Millie 3. Mantis 4. Lightning Racer 5. Wicked Twister (Front Seat)
-- Brett
*** This post was edited by PittDesigner on 12/20/2002. ***
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