CP #16 Criticism Unwarranted
B:TR at SF:GAm was the first B&M custom invert.
DOOOOHHHH!!! I was too sloooooowwwww..
*** This post was edited by boblogone on 12/17/2002. ***
Whatever happened to the original topic of the new CP coaster being a great addition, and not ruining the expereince of future rides? This topic wasn't about Six Flags, it's about CP.
Just for the record, I was at CP for two days last June, and Wicked Twister was closed both days.
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"This time I think ... I think it's ... it's going to work!" - Dr.Bruce Banner
Okay fine. Was Raptor the first non-B:TR B&M invert?
:-P Sheesh.
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Be polite and ignore the idiots. - rollergator
You must be this dumb to ride Viper. -SFGAdv.
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2 superheroes in Gurnee next season? Oh the humanity. :)
http://www.coasterbuzz.com/coasters/coaster.asp?CoasterID=1285
-Danny
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- Peabody
And adding on to Peabody's post -
There's something fishy going on when you have a "listed" 256' drop that only sends trains running to a speed of 68 miles-per-hour. ;)
wahoo skipper said:
SFWoA, in a bit of cost saving cheapness, put a chain not appropriate for water onto their chutes ride. Of course, it snapped during the season. You won't see Cedar Point choosing the "cheap alternative" for its maintenance issues.
Out of curiousity, since when has a manufacturer supplying a standard equipment lift chain been an effort of cheapness on a parks part? That's like saying Cedar Point went cheap by using a Standard lift chain supplied by Arrow for Magnum and The Corkscrew. If anything, it's a "cheap alternative" for the manufactorer, not either park.
But back on topic, #16 is the first ride in a long time to make people stop what they're doing and stare in awe. Will it be short? Most likely. Will it be fun? Most definately. Will it make full-grown men cry like first graders? We can only hope, and that is what will make it a great coaster in 2003.
Who cares if it is a prototype or not? As long as it runs the majority of the time, it is one more coaster for enthusiasts, and that, is a very good thing.
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- GeaugaDog
Ain't Nuthin but the Dog in me..
Nice, GeaugaDog, I agree! But, you've not quite right on the flume chain....they really F'ed up on that one! ;)
The #16 bashers should all read your post.
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- Peabody
Craig the Coaster Freak wrote:
"MF and WT were open and operating on opening day..."
WT was closed when I visited a few days after SRM. My visit was specifically to ride WT and since it had been open for a few weeks I felt it was safe to include the park in my plans.
Was I angry that is was not open? No, because I doubt CP could forsee the problems they would have with WT, nor do I feel they were particularly happy with Intamin that their newest thriller was not open. JUST AS the three SF parks that got Deja Vu were not particularly happy with Vekoma that their new rides did not open on schedule. As it happens I ended up leaving CP for SFWoA and had a wonderful time there.
Again, this has nothing to do with the park chain. Parks in ALL chains have experienced similar problems. Why blame the parks when the manufacturer is at fault?
Moosh
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My point? CP has it's problems too.
-Nate
Cedar Point might be have the occasional zit on an adult's face but SFWoA is a 15 year old with a full blown case of acne.
They need some Retin-A and they need it fast!
And yes, WoA intentionally bought a cheaper chain that was not intended for use in water.
coasterdude318 said:
Actually, CP *does* close coasters due to rain, cold, wind, and a variety of other weather-related reasons... Not that it's the norm, but it was pretty pathetic.
I fail to see how closing rides for your safety in the rain and wind and cold makes Cedar Point pathetic? I've only ever ridden Mantis and S: UF in a *real* rainstorm before, and I remember both of them being extremely fun rides, but they hurt! The S:UF ride was like being stung by a thousand bees the entire length of the ride (not that it wasn't fun - front seat into a driving rainstorm, launched? Talk about a rush!) but that's not the kind of thing that most of the GP would probably enjoy - and you run the risk of "rain poked my eye out so I'm going to sue you".
As for wind and cold, I've seen somewhere that Millie has a chance of valleying on the third hill when the wind is strong from WT's side of the lake, and as for cold, well I still contend that some coasters run faster in the cold ;) but from a physical standpoint, again, much increased danger of valleying. And wind can also be a factor on large towers and things that are hinged like the buckets and the Ferris Wheel.
None of these closures are "pathetic", they are there for your safety, and for Cedar Point covering their own behinds and saving on some lawsuits.
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1. Kumba 2. Millie 3. Mantis 4. Lightning Racer 5. Wicked Twister (Front Seat)
-- Brett
Mamoosh said:
Again, this has nothing to do with the park chain. Parks in ALL chains have experienced similar problems. Why blame the parks when the manufacturer is at fault?
Well, for purchasing a ride that had notorious problems. If anyone bought a Deja Vu, a Vekoma Flyer, or a 4D (although the appeal might balance the potential downtime) at this point, I'd think they were wasting their money, just looking at the track record of those coasters.
I think it's also perfectly fine to get pissed at a park that advertises a coaster and then closes it for an extended period of time (see X) or that has a sign that says a ride will be open, but then doesn't open it (see WT).
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Be polite and ignore the idiots. - rollergator
You must be this dumb to ride Viper. -SFGAdv.
Funny thing there, I hold SFMM responsibile for the whole Flashback nightmare WAY more than I do for the *Xtreme downtime*....of course, IF The Mountain hadn't decided to skip Schilke's recommendation and gone with a *reasonably-sized* 4D for the first one, the downtime might not have been quite so Xceptional....;). This is one where the PARK definitely DOES share the blame IMO, because Arrow SAID they didn't think a 4D of THAT size could be ready *and* reliable in the SFMM timeframe.
The Vekoma flyers were good fun, CERTAINLY not as comfy as the B&Ms, and with FAR lower capacity *and* significant ISSUES. If I were to buy one now, there's no question that the Beemer justifies the additional expense....but Paramount didn't have that option when they purchased Stealth...
As for Deja Vu, just do yourself a favor and purchase the *regular* Invertigo....MUCH better deal, even IF they were the same price, lol...
How does this all play into CP16...well, UNLESS Intamin has some pretty serious advancements over Xcelerator, this *could* become a serious downtime coaster, something CP isn't gonna be thrilled with....IMO, as always....who else's WOULD I have to offer...;)
Criticism...is a GOOD thing. If you don't want any, DON'T put yourself in the spotlight of running an amusement park. And furthermore, without ANY constructive criticism, all you get is a bunch of yes-men telling you how great you are....good for the ego I guess (who cares), but TERRIBLE for the bottom line....
In closing....of course, I'd be happy with a mirrored Anton shuttle...;)
All I have to say is the ones who are complaining don't HAVE to ride it.................all the more rides for me!!!
LAUNCH........TOPHAT......BRAKE.......400+ feet/100++ mph.....WHEW! Now I need a cigarette.
Any questions?
Tina
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