CP #16 Criticism Unwarranted
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Don't Fight It, Ride It, RAGING BULL!!!!!!- SFGAm
Can you tell us who you spoke to in Guest Services about your experiences and what they said?
And you emailed CP about this when?
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 12/19/2002. ***
The point of this is: if you feel that Cedar Point runs an unfair buisness or treats its guests poorly don't go!
Show your protest by not spending any money at the park. You are simply wasting your time whining (and you are whining) to us, who have no control over the manner in which the park is operated.
Whats the big deal about 96% uptime. Sure my visit to CP was perfect this past season, but I can think of many other smaller parks where they meet and exceed that figure. Hersheypark is a good example. You may see a flat ride down, but its rare to see a majore attraction closed for the whole day.
Six Flags is in a league of their own. They are horrible at maintenance and it shows. My last visit to Gr8 Adv was a good one though. All coasters were running except for Viper, and the Batman side of the chiller were down. They do always seem to have a lot of flat rides not operational, and its a shame because it would make for a much more memorable visit. Every Six Flags park I have been to has been the same way. Nothing new, but at the same time it is nothing for Cedar Fair fans to gloat about. You take out the SIx Flags chain, and 96% uptime is probably pretty much the industry standard.
2 different chains, 2 different experiences. You know what to expect at each. There are so many arguments about it, and they are just stupid.
Cedar Fair- Great experience! Great Coasters! Great staff! Reasonable prices!
Six Flags- Great Coasters! Horrible staff! Make the best, and have a great experience!(Make sure to take you own drinks.) :)
Can't we all get along? ;)
The length is too short, but I will still enjoy it none-the-less.
What was this topic about again?
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I have to agree with that. Everything is worth at least ONE ride. If it sucks, then never look at it again. But you can't really know that until you give it a fair ride.
To give an example, I ended up liking Psyclone at SFMM, which rarely gets a kind word from anyone in the enthusiast community. We have gone through whole threads about rides that we didn't expect to like, but after riding them , we ended up liking.
Sorry, 'Playa, but I don't have a name of the person talked to in Guest Relations. As I said, this was a year ago so I don't remember actual names. Plus, I personally did not complain at guest relations because I had a season pass; the one member in our group who paid full price to enter, though, did. He wrote CP a letter (snail mail, not e-mail) immediately after the trip.
CoasterFanMatt, I think you need to go back and read more of what I wrote. I like Cedar Point. And I'm not whining about the park in general. What I'm doing is pointing out that crap happens at *every* park. I'm not whining to you expecting something to be done, just correcting some people who seem to believe Six Flags is the only offender out there. That's simply not the case.
-Nate (who has had equally good experiences at CP as he has at SF, Paramount, Busch, and Universal parks)
What you just wrote sounds 100% more sensible to me. Of course every park has their bad days! I think that any of us can attest to that. Perhaps in your viewpoint, that was CP's day. The fact remains that bad weather conditions and closed rides at any park have that kind of effect on people. :)
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In no way do I feel CP is a bad park (on the contrary, I feel it's one of the best out there). I'm just trying to communicate to people that *even CP* has its bad/off days, something many people claim to be untrue to the extreme - and most certainly is not.
-Nate
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That day wasn't a "bad day," it was the worst single day of weather on any day I've been a season pass holder. Most people had the common sense to not even go there that day.
The 96% uptime figure came from Monty Jasper, VP of construction and maintenance, on a construction tour of Wicked Twister last year. That includes being down for any reason, including weather, puke, setups and actual mechanical problems. That combines all 68 rides over the course of an entire season. It is a big deal, and not a figure many parks can match.
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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com - Sillynonsense.com
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You know, I've got to say this. Sometimes guests don't even know what is good or bad for them. I know days like Jeff is describing, though I wasn't there that night, and sometimes common sense must prevail.
There are idiots who would ride a steel coaster during a lightning storm if you let them but does that mean you should? There are morons who would spend all day at Soak City in the wavepool when the temperature was 50 degrees outside. Cedar Point has to consider the safety (and health) of its employees and guests, particularly during bad weather.
I know that there aren't any rainchecks at Walt Disney World. Most golf courses don't give you a raincheck after a certain amount of holes even if you don't finish your round.
It is unfortunate that you had a bad experience, dude, but life ain't always fair. The bottom line is I'd rather spend a wet day at Cedar Point than a sunny day at SFWoA. My chance of "downtime" would still be higher at SF than CP.
Just to give you all a baseline of how many hours of up/downtime 96% is, I calculated CP's total hours for the upcoming 2003 season. The park as currently scheduled to be open to the public (to which there are additional private event days) is 1,623 hours. When you multiply that by 68 rides (Jeff's number) that comes out to be 110,364 hours for all rides for the season. Take that number and multiply it by .04 (the downtime portion) that comes out to 4,414 hours 33.6 minutes of downtime for all of the rides for the entire season
So, yes, even though WT was down for quite a few days early in the season where the park was open for 12-13 hours per day, the 96% percentage is not that hard to believe. You could have 4 rides closed for 12 hours a day for 91 days and still hit the 96% uptime mark and still have 46.56 hours to spare.
EDIT: I wonder what SFGAm's uptime percentage is. It has to be around 94-95% when you consider all the rides, not just roller coasters.
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--George H
---Superman the ride...coming to a SF park near you soon...
*** This post was edited by redman822 on 12/20/2002. ***
wahoo skipper said:
There are idiots who would ride a steel coaster during a lightning storm if you let them but does that mean you should?
According to The Darwin Awards, the answer is an unqualified....YES! ;)
coasterdude, you went on a bad day, that's obvious. Fridays on Halloweekends, most rides are closed anyway. So, whatever, you obviously can't be convinced away from your opinion so I give up.
And I think we should use rollergator's idea there ;) Let the dumb ones weed themselves out! (Ok, so maybe not that harsh, but still it'd be interesting to see who makes it!)
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1. Kumba 2. Millie 3. Mantis 4. Lightning Racer 5. Wicked Twister (Front Seat)
-- Brett
Jeff said:
That day wasn't a "bad day," it was the worst single day of weather on any day I've been a season pass holder.
Personally, I don't think it was that terrible. I've certainly ridden in worse weather. It was cold, but I've ridden in colder. It was drizzling, but as I said - I've ridden in downpours at CP. You yourself claim that CP doesn't close rides for the cold, yet this seems to prove otherwise, no?
Most people had the common sense to not even go there that day.
No offense, but apparently you didn't have the "common sense" not to go...
-Nate (who's not sure he believes the 96% uptime thing, since that certainly would be a nice point to lie about)
PittDesigner said: So, whatever, you obviously can't be convinced away from your opinion so I give up.
Apparently not, since he stayed up intil 1:30am trying to refute everyone's opinions...Kinda sad to get worked up over something like an amusement park, if you ask me.
*Rollin Eyes*
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100th coaster....Dania Beach Hurricane!
Yea at least I gave up when I left work until this morning! Actually that's not true, if I had been sittin around on my duff last nite instead of partying, I probably would have logged on and kept arguing But hey, if you're not gonna get worked up over amusement parks, you'll find something else to get worked up over. So I find no fault in it.
Edit: I always find it amazing that I can just completely miss words when I'm typing - and of course they're always important words too!
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1. Kumba 2. Millie 3. Mantis 4. Lightning Racer 5. Wicked Twister (Front Seat)
-- Brett
*** This post was edited by PittDesigner on 12/20/2002. ***
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