CF Gutting KI's atmosphere just like CP

^Thats one of the best rides in the park (along with Demon, Eagle and Viper) and the trees rock!

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Charles Nungester said:
Only Gonch and you can claim Dorney as a good mix...

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Oh, I won't deny it for a second - Dorney is absolutely one of my favorite parks.

And you guys know I lived in Allentown for a couple of years (2001-2003) - my only visit to Knoebels was as a night-before stop on our way to meet my family for a multi-day trip to CP. (for real :) )

Jeff said: You've got it all wrong. I thrive on calling out your B.S.And yes, the corporate bias thing with enthusiasts has been around since the beginning... I think it's hilarious. When you're one of those people, you've gone to the point of no return. Those people are a drag.
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I'm convinced. It is true lemmings do have more fun. This lame attachment to older rides, the burden of nostalgic appreciation for more traditional parks, the inability to see the beauty of parking lot coaster. The burden enthusiasts carry every time they go to the local amusement park chain; its like this dead weight that keeps them from enjoying a fun place that can take away all the guess work.

Lets do away with the family owned independent park crap. How the hell do lemmings find their way through a park like Knoebles anyway? There's no paths, just gravel, attractions and trees. Six Flags would need years to fix that mess. Knoebles success makes no sense at all.

Truth be told eventually one chain will own them all to eliminate the confusion enthusiasts have to deal with. Just go in and make your happy-park order. You got your floorless, your hyper, flying, wood coasters, the shoot-them-up ride, log ride, raft ride, flat ride, super drop, everything you've come to expect; all built in the last 10 years. No longer have compare parks or travel beyond your local amusement franchise. I can't wait. Lemmings rule!

Now that I've dropped this enthusiasm, this lame attachment for parks, coasters and rides I do feel I'm not dragging my friends down as much. Wow, all this talk about amusement parks suddenly feels like such a waste of my time. *** Edited 3/29/2008 3:32:19 AM UTC by rc-madness***

Chuck, I think your opinion is a little premature at this point. The area that is being bulldozed was nothing but a dirty lake and a few trees. I can get that much atmosphere looking out in my backyard. Seeing that we have a decent idea of what's going in its place I would say its going to add quite a bit of atmosphere to that area. However, we have no idea what the end result is going to be.

Shoot, I remember when people complained about Frontier Trail's atmosphere being destroyed with Millennium Force's opening and now just a few years later you can barely see the ride from the trail.

~Rob Willi

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rc-madness said:
I'm convinced. It is true lemmings do have more fun... Lets do away with the family owned independent park crap... Just go in and make your happy-park order.

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Your attempt at sarcasm is weak. Here's the difference between you and Chuck and the fun people. You're painting a world of absolutes, and it just ain't that way. You'll never hear me say that I don't like smaller parks or whatever. My point is simply that this dogmatic approach to what's good and what's not based on the ownership and scope of development is silly. And your sarcasm even illustrates my analogy to music snobbery.

You know what makes this thread the most ridiculous? The fact that it was started on the basis of a couple of poorly exposed photos from Kings Island where construction is occurring and we don't (officially) even know what is going there.

I find it the broad stroke painting of Cedar Fair as evil and sterile particularly annoying given the very thorough charm around Maverick. Great station that, gasp, even re-used White Water Landing. Yeah, the company that could've saved a buck by just starting fresh did in fact keep something that had been there for nearly three decades.

Enthusiast bias indeed. It's a drag.

There you go again Jeff: bringing logic into the discussion and ruining it for everyone :)

Every party needs a pooper that's why we invited you...

^And to add to this, it was started by someone who said they gave up on the park a few years ago when (gasp)!, the flyers were removed.

Then bitched about the Italian Job Coaster, then bitched about FireHawk being put in because he already experienced it at GL.

Chuck gave up on this park awhile ago yet he still bitches today about some trees being removed.

Hey Chuck, you have stated you don't visit this park anymore for the last few years so they don't see your money. Why would they care what you think today in their future expansion?

Just keep driving to Holiday World.

Is it possible for someone to enjoy big corporate parks and small scale family run parks?

I know I do.

I enjoy them all. Not necessarily equally, but every amusement park is sacred to me.

"Sacred" might not be the perfect word. I'm not exactly comparing them to churches. But there is a sense of wonder and joy every time I pass through the entrance turnstiles to a park.

Yeah, I think it's assumed that we all enjoy amusement parks - well, except for those of us that boycott certain ones for years at a time. ;)

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Ensign Smith said:
I enjoy them all. Not necessarily equally...

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I'd bet that probably sums it up for just about everyone posting here.

Ditto to ^ & ^^.

Great images otterkpr. But when Whizzer goes away, the trees moved, the minority will scream, yell and criticize Six Flags for not using what was there already!

Ditto to Mamoosh's ditto...

From Jeff.
Your attempt at sarcasm is weak. Here's the difference between you and Chuck and the fun people. You're painting a world of absolutes, and it just ain't that way. You'll never hear me say that I don't like smaller parks or whatever. My point is simply that this dogmatic approach to what's good and what's not based on the ownership and scope of development is silly. And your sarcasm even illustrates my analogy to music snobbery.

Who's the hypocrite? YOU'LL NEVER HEAR ME SAY I DON't like smaller parks or whatever.

But yet you clearly stated you had no intention on visiting Conneaut becauee it didn't apeal to you or had nothing that apeals to you.

Yet is was on of the parks I had a ton of fun at.

I boycotted KI because Paramount removed dozens more rides than they added, Took nice areas and destroyed em.

Im not boycotting CF, That would be hypocritical to blame them for that.

I said the park needs change, Just because Im not thrilled at the area their using doesn't mean I won't "LIKE AND HAVE FUN" in the change their making.

It's not hypocritical to have a pre concieved view of a park or chain if you've had a bad experience or less than stellar visit at them.

It's not hypocritical to give your brother 20 dollars to get two large cokes and get a BAD FEELING when he gives you 7 dollars back

I visited KI three times last year without a season pass, Had fun all three times. Still got a little bit of same ole same ole but had a good time. So much so that I got a SP for the first time in three years. I actually plan to use it a lot both at KI and Dorney and a trip to CP because I hear Maverick is "THAT GOOD" I also have tons of big and small parks planned from PA to NYC for this season along with IB and HW Beech Bend, Only one of them is a "ENTHUSIAST EVENT"

Im gonna have so much fun that they're gonna have to "RIP THE SMILE FROM MY FACE"

Chuck, who also has steam train rides, baseball, racing and other activities to have fun at. All Im saying is that a park should be special "And most of them are".

PS. Loved the before and after Whizzer shots. Ain't you glad we still have it? :)

Ah, but it is hypocritical to visit a park you've often claim to be boycotting?

Jeff said: My point is simply that this dogmatic approach to what's good and what's not based on the ownership and scope of development is silly.
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So, when a park like Kings Island is taken over and changes are made your expectation on a coaster fan web-site was to find everyone thinking that way? Or were you looking for an opportunity to thumb your nose at those silly enthusiasts? Since, I guess you are saying you are not one of those.

Given your adoration for implausible scenarios: should Disney take over Cedar Point I suppose you will continue in your 'nothing is sacred' position when Raptor is torn down for It's a Small World. And when that enthusiast bias rears its ugly head again, your dogmatic position will be to argue the Disney family advantages?

Sure, a long walk around the block in an attempt to get perspective on how silly it is to criticize enthusiasts on a blog such as this. I started out by saying we should wait and see, then this turned into a ridiculous debate on enthusiasts' bias. What a drag indeed...

Last I checked Beard & Stearns was selling for less than $10 a share. *** Edited 3/29/2008 8:51:37 PM UTC by rc-madness***

A small park having no appeal to someone and someone deliberately not liking a park because its small are two different things. There are a lot of parks I see that I have absolutely no interest in going to. Doesn't mean I am biased against them, it just means I have no interest in going.

I have been to Conneaut in its day, and have been back since. I get why people weren't going to the park to ride rides anymore and totally understand when someone says it holds no appeal to them.

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Charles Nungester said:
It's not hypocritical to give your brother 20 dollars to get two large cokes and get a BAD FEELING when he gives you 7 dollars back

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I get the same sick feeling sometimes, but it depends on my situation and the park. If I am vacation at Universal I don't mind so much but if Waldameer tried charging $6 for a drink I would be offended and just wouldn't buy it.

Edited cause I quoted the wrong thing! *** Edited 3/29/2008 6:10:44 PM UTC by eightdotthree***

No one goes to King's Island anymore. It's too crowded.

...and is a large drink really $6.50? Holy crap.

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kpjb said:
No one goes to King's Island anymore. It's too crowded.

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That comment makes no sense at all.

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kpjb said:
No one goes to King's Island anymore. It's too crowded.

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If you're going to paraphrase the great Yogi Berra, give him credit.

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kpjb said:No one goes to King's Island anymore. It's too crowded....and is a large drink really $6.50? Holy crap.

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No, that was at SFNE in 2001 so you will see my point, What is it now? Ten bucks a coke? Excuse me while I sneek my flask in :) Self induced prohibition.

Moosh, I haven't claimed to be boycotting since the CF buyout.

No, I was pretty clear, Jeff could of not had fun at Conneaut, Nor Dutch Wonderland, Nor Waldameer, Nor IB or any other park without a 20 million dollar attraction.

Chuck