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^^ Now that could be called a VIP pass. ;)

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What has happened to Coasterbuzz?©

I think were not really going to have a good idea on how it fits with this section of the park or how it effects the overall atmosphere until it is built and alot of the lanscaping is done.

I think from some of the sketches we have seen for this proposed hyper coaster, the lake is where the station, final brakes, last few hills, etc will take place. I think the good majority of the ride might take place out in the woods in land that is far removed from the main pathway. So besides maybe the lift and station and a few sections that skip over the pathway, I think the rest of the ride will be removed from the main pathways.

For this year though you might have to deal with the construction and the lake drained, although the finished product might not have the lake drained.

Of course this is speculation until the ride is announced and the details of its layout and location are known.

I think B&M is the best choice for kings island regarding which ride manufacture should build a hyper coaster. If you consider that very few intamin hyper coasters have been built in the united states recently, or rides with that intamin lapbar restraint, you sort of see why they might have steared clear of going with intamin for this ride. El toro was the last ride in the u.s to have that restraint, and most of the rocket coasters, even ones without inversions have an over the shoulder restraint (Kingda Ka, Rita:Queen of Speed, etc).

Also B&M hyper coasters have always had better capacity (usually 3 trains of 36, hopefully there not going with that V design), they seem like the best choice. Although personally, I think the intamin variety provide a better ride experience, I think for the reasons stated it wouldn't make the most sense to add one.

It was interesting looking at some of those Dorney pictures, as I can still remember some of the images at 37 years of age such as the original entrance and the covered station for Thunderhawk.

My grandparents on my mother's side and my aunt, uncle, and cousins lived in Allentown, so that meant seeing the changes over the years during holidays and the occasional visit to the park.

Dorney was very different back then. They had a speedway where Wild Water Kingdom now sits. I think the races were on Saturday nights. I'm pretty sure they had a pretzel ride similar to the Haunted Mansion (is that Journey to the Center of the Earth or a different ride?).

Yes, Hercules was a big cause of pride back then (when it ran well), but it wasn't until 1997 and the introduction of Steel Force did the park really grab my attention again.

My late grandfather took some pictures of the construction for me, and I don't think you'd recognize the front of the park, as there were still houses and the entrance was around back.

My sister and I went up to visit my grandparents during that summer and I still remember pulling into the McDonalds and looking at S.F. at night with the chaser lights on. I'd never been in the site of anything that big and that powerful looking before. It was hyper number one for the I-Fan.

Chuck, I remember riding the Paratrooper on the hill too, and it was disappointing to see them remove it, but look at all the stuff that has been put in since. To me, a Chance/Morgan Revolution and a Top Spin more than make up for that "loss."

Does Dorney resemble CP on a smaller scale? Without a doubt. Call it corporate identity, or call it gutting the atmosphere, I know I can't wait to ride Voodoo this summer. Had Dorney stayed as a Knoebels-style park, I have no doubt that we'd be talking about that park that used to be at the intersection of 222 and 78.

Brian Noble said:
Ensign Smith is right. It's hogwash, this notion of "enthusiast bias."

When I consistently have better times at smaller, non-Six Flags/CF/Paramount chain parks then I do at the big coaster filled thrill places, why is this necessarily "bias," with all the negative connotations, when it could just as easily be in most cases "preference" ? I mean call it bias if you'd like but I don't see the problem if it's based on legitimate past experience.

Lord Gonchar said:
Historical integrity. I like that.
Now explain to me why it matters. :)

Because some people have differing opinions and preferences from your own and go to parks with different motivations then your own. I mean, convincing most enthusiasts (or, I'm sure, many typical park goers) that having a balanced mix of old and new isn't a good thing is gonna be an uphill battle no matter how hard you wish things were more like Gonchland, personally.

What has happened to Coasterbuzz?©

Off-season. It'll be over in another month or so.

Matt: there is a difference between people who talk about individual experiences, and those who pick up the "corporate bad, mom-and-pop good" brush and paint everything within reach.

I would bet you that, if you thought about it for just a minute, you might be able to come up with a few past visits to Large Corporate Parks that were just as (if not more) enjoyable than a few visits to the less well-cared-for mom-and-pop operations.

I might grant you the typical enthusiast cares about a mix of old-vs.-new. The group of four college buddies visiting the park, or the young family with a couple of kids could probably care less.

I was away from Cedar Point for about 15 years between my last visit as a kid just having fun and my first visit as a parent. The place was in some ways barely recognizable. Where did all those coasters come from? What happened to the Fronteirtown sky ride? Where is the fun house? Earthquake? The Pirate ride? All that great stuff was just gone.

Then again, a lot of things were still the same, too. And, after a few wistful moments, I can honestly tell you that I didn't care, because my kids and I had such a great time over those two days that we became an "enthusiast family." Not coaster enthusiasts so much as park enthusiasts, because at the time my kids were too young to ride anything bigger than Jr. Gemini and maybe Woodstock.

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Brian Noble said:
I would bet you that, if you thought about it for just a minute, you might be able to come up with a few past visits to Large Corporate Parks that were just as (if not more) enjoyable than a few visits to the less well-cared-for mom-and-pop operations.

I don't need a minute, I can rattle off 10 or 20. Still, I don't understand why those who desire more traditional/historic/mom&pop/non-corporate experiences are labeled with biases instead of preferences. And even still, if there are enthusiasts out there who have rendered themselves completely unable to have fun at a large, corporate-style park for reasons that are completely delusional, who cares? If they like what they like then I don't see the problem whatever the reason.

I mean, Jeff brought up music, and I haven't listened to corporate radio in about 10 years despite having about 20,000 songs on this computer I'm typing on. I personally don't think I've avoided FM radio because of some irrational bias, I think it's just because I don't like it. However, I don't really think about it that much because I still don't really see why it matters either way.

Jeff said:
Charles Nungester said:Least I don't thrive on having a half dozen people half my age kissing my butt all the time meanstwhile kissing up to all the corprate gurus.
You've got it all wrong. I thrive on calling out your B.S.And yes, the corporate bias thing with enthusiasts has been around since the beginning. It's like anything else people feel passionate about. Music "enthusiasts" think everything on the radio is corporate crap. Wine enthusiasts write off anything mass-produced (even when said wines win in blind taste tests with the enthusiasts). I think it's hilarious. When you're one of those people, you've gone to the point of no return. Those people are a drag.

Funny because in this thread, there are actually more in agreement with me than yourself.

I've said a dozen times it don't matter if its corporate or family owned as long as the elements are a good mix.

Only Gonch and you can claim Dorney as a good mix to pay 60 bucks for when Knoebels has tons more to do for 37

Chuck, who thinks half your stuff is B.S as well but don't hate you for it.

Mamoosh said:What has happened to Coasterbuzz?©

Your not allowed to think for yourself. You are allowed to be attacked.

WE ARE BORG, Failure to comply is irrelivent.

^Dorney!

I mean, even their 'kick butt' woodie has fallen under the CF corporate knife. At least it was saved the final jabs unlike the poor Blue Streak with it's new ratchet lap bars.

Hey guys, we don't have to be so sarcastic and mean to eachother. If someone really prefers the SF/CF experience, let them! The parks are boring to me!

I'd much rather be at Kennywood, Holidayworld, IB, Lake Winnie, etc.

It's like fighting over what's better, Mom n Pops in ho-dunk Indiana or McDonalds. Obviously, many more people enjoy McDs. Let em!

I do think there is a major corporate brainwash thing going on, but go ahead, buy it! I mean, look at Wal-mart! Look at the whole idea of "going green." It's a joke!

Only Gonch and you can claim Dorney as a good mix to pay 60 bucks for when Knoebels has tons more to do for 37

Check your facts, Chuck. Dorney's gate price is listed at $39
http://tickets.dorneypark.com/shop/shopping_general_admission.cfm

And, Dorney includes the water park/slides. Knoebel's doesn't include the pool.

Edited: you could be including parking. I'm game. For my family of four, total admission to Dorney would be $166 when you throw in parking. Knoebel's would be $148, but still no pool. Add the pool and waterslides at Knoebels and my family of four is now paying $198.
*** Edited 3/29/2008 1:18:30 AM UTC by Brian Noble***

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Chuck, you are so the typical coaster enthusiast. Do you even have a set of swim trunks in your wardrobe? I'm not trying to be mean, but you're totally missing a huge element of what makes up DP. To say that there's a ton more to do at Knoebels is to be totally biased and not seeing clearly, because clearly there is not. *** Edited 3/29/2008 1:14:39 AM UTC by Intamin Fan***

Charles Nungester said:
Mamoosh said:What has happened to Coasterbuzz?©
Your not allowed to think for yourself. You are allowed to be attacked.
WE ARE BORG, Failure to comply is irrelivent.
:)

EXACTLY, Chuck!

That's what I was told in a certain CP's ride manager's office when I wouldn't bow down to the current (asskissing, etc.) ride manager.

Guess that can be read as a little odd, working for money, but Chuck really hit it on the head.

Especially around here, I mean, isn't there a Cedar Fair fanboy site out there?

Knoebels don't charge you ten bucks to park. I always add parking into the price of addmisson but I guess that isn't a turnoff to people who visit Gonchland.

It only takes me about a tank and a half to get there at 3.50 a gallon, Whats ten bucks?