Cedar Point's Blog is teasing us!

Let me clarify- I was not suggesting Cedar Point is adding a 500 foot coaster, it was merely a joke!

It may have been a joke from you Rob, but I have been hearing the rumor since last summer.

Never doubt~ 'tis a bad thing to think the negative.

All those who doubted 425' so shortly after the 300' marker was broken, cannot lie to themselves that this CAN and WILL be done. The only question remains... what kinda layout can you really expect out of 500' high coasters? I think Cedar Po!nt's already done the launch coaster thing as well as the go up/come down/end ride thing... so the chances of THAT park getting 500' are unlikely unless they plan a hell of a layout by ANOTHER manufacture willing to build to those heights

My guess would be a big loopy thrilly coaster maybe along the lines of 4D, depends if the new Japanese one goes along well (and they worked out the bugs), or a nice B&M flyer. Something with an original layout that's got a great capacity, and a record breaker in one form or another.

I'd still like to see the flume replacement ALONG with the coaster... maybe a year with two new attractions for once. It's been a long time since that park put in two thrills in one year!

I don't think the Japanese 4D will be operating until late this year or next year, so CP could not base their decision to get one off of that ride's performance. They most likely would have already had to have designed and ordered it to have it ready for the '07 season.

Listen, I'm never very opinionated because anything is possible in this business. I just think a 500 footer for Cedar Point in '07 is very wishful thinking for those who expect CP to do the unthinkable. I just think this time that isn't going to happen but we'll still get a great new ride. Yes, someone will build a 500 footer someday, maybe CP down the road but with them still tinkering around with TTD?

And I don't mean to open up the Mean Streak can of worms. I can see others viewpoints and if people still like MS, that's great. People can like whatever they want. I like all coasters, I like the wooden ones to be very wild but MS actually rattles your bones. I have back problems, I ride every woodie out there and MS is honestly the only one that I can't re-ride, worse than the 1920's era ones. I don't know how old everyone on here is but if you were around for MS's first few operating seasons, then you know quite well why that ride is so disappointing now. We will have to agree to disagree for anyone who likes it after all that time and rode it back then. When it opened, it was my #1 woodie and was a top one for several years. Starting with the break on the first drop, which is the most unnatural feeling you can have on a roller coaster, this thing does not navigate the course anywhere close to its original intention except for maybe 3 places. I don't know how else to put it, the ride doesn't feel right and it is a completely different ride than what was back there in 1991. It used to be awesome. Hercules bit the dust, same manufacturer/builder, same parent company park, same deterioration. Hercules was terrific when it was first built and one of the best, the last few years, I literally skipped it.

CedarPoint420, so in your opinion MS will not be going anywhere? Do you feel the new one will not be wood and MS will stay as the signature large woodie? I'm being serious discussion-wise here, not smart. I don't know what's going to happen. *** Edited 2/24/2006 7:39:57 PM UTC by Mantis2***

I can concur with you on MS, Mantis2. I was there opening day in 1991, waited 3 1/2 hours in line for it since they were only running 1 train. I thought it was a fantastic ride, not worth a 3 1/2 hour wait but it was fantastic. I haven't been on it since 1999 though. Once they put the trim brakes on the first drop that literally killed the ride for me, plus it HAS become brutal.

I think the "Mean Streak can of whoop-a....er, worms" SHOULD be opened. Seriously, it has basically meant that all the crowds are packed near the front of the park, just trying to steer WELL clear of that steaming pile of lumber.

If they cannot fix the stupid thing, or don't want to spend the $5-7M it would take to basically re-build it, then it can't last more than another 3-5 years...

Mean streak is smooth as glass compared to son of beast. But lets not say its days are limited untill they can actualy get some people into frontier town to see what mean streaks line will be like.

I would like to see a multi looper by b&m, but not a flyer. Something like kumba would be great. Also a new log flume ride and another flat ride would be great.

Just my 2cents.

Crazy summed it all up in his first sentence.

MS can be rough, but do you know how many families and kids I saw ride and re-ride and re-re-ride it throughout the summer? I saw more than enough for me to recognize it's place. The key is knowing how to ride.

It does need some major help in places, but it has a place in Frontier Town. Whatever is it's neighbor in the future will only bring good things to my girl.

There have been a lot of rumors that someone is getting a 500 footer soon. I have not searched it recently, but it has been hinted at by credible people on this site. At the time I thought SFMM was getting it, but we now know what they are getting. I'm not saying CP is getting it for sure, but I would not rule it out just yet.

Yiggerman said "What's to say that Moosh has any inside information (no diss intended dear) Perhaps he's just using plain old common sense?"

Or, a little of both perhaps? ;)

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Mantis2 said:
The cheapest you could buy a 500 foot coaster would be for approximately $30 million right now, am I correct? That's with the TTD/KK model which appears to be the cheapest way to get what qualifies as a roller coaster up to the 500 foot level.

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As opposed to all the other, more expensive 500' coasters that are floating around out there right now?

Also, lots of people are saying "Cedar Point can't do that"... Are you new? That's what Cedar Point feeds off of. They have the whole world believe something is impossbile and then BAM! They build it. Expect the unexpected is only true once place: Cedar Point. And there, it's always true.

If Meanstreak just came off a rainstorm, the ride rides like a champ. There's nothing better than riding a wet woodie. Even Predator (SFDL's Dinn/Summers disaster) runs like new after a good soaking because of how the wood swells up & it just seems to make the trains sail along the track.

I wish that a little more TLC could be put into Mean Streak. It's a looker, it's got a great layout (despite lack of air)... but it just rides a little bumpy. I say FIRST... get the new alternate coaster over by White Water Landing's area, and then in 2yrs (2009) take out Meanstreak & replace it. I don't know how strong it is w/ the ridership compared to other coasters... but it has to be one of the 4 lowest riding coasters (not counting kiddie)... Mantis, Cedar Creek Mine Ride, and Magnum being the others. I'm just speculating 'cause last time I was there... those were the easiest rides to get onto.

I'd hate to see it go. It's a great lookin' coaster... but if SOMETHING more marketable (or some thing>>S<<) could go in its place, then kudos... but that coaster is kind of a staple at the park. It's one of their only 2 wooden coasters & there isn't that much room to put another wooden considering how big of a footprint they take up.

Why is everyone "smart" on here. This should be fun and interesting. My point was, and part of this was a question, that the cheapest a 500 foot coaster would cost would be about $30 million right now if not more? The point was made that cost shouldn't be the main issue here. That's fine but it's still a lot of money and I'm trying to speak objectively here, not as a coaster lover. How much money is worth investing for your return in increased attendance? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't CP entering its fourth operating season with TTD and still hoping it works most of the time. Point being they pushed the limits. Will they push the limits again so soon at an unproven height and then face the same problems? That is why I think it's really out there for them to "want" to do this again so soon and I think it's the last thing they want to deal with right now. Yes, it is stupid to ever tell CP they can't because they always do. Someday they might be the first to do 500, but wow, I just don't know how or why for '07. And with lingering nuisance issues like seat belts on MF and apparent downtime on WT, I am just thinking that they would want to put in a regular, dependable everyday roller coaster like a big floorless or a woodie or whatever that after working the breakin kinks out, works like a champ like Raptor, Magnum, etc. It's got to be annoying that the pre-2000 coasters have less issues than the post-2000 ones, being in the "age of technology" we're in and all. I love Cedar Point, no one should be offended by coaster message board opinions. That's not the intention here. No one should be defending anything, I'm just trying to draw the comparison between TTD relating to the '07 ride choice and are people seeing that angle here with cost being a secondary thought. Obviously they don't mind spending a lot of money on a new ride but they could spend half the money in the $15 million range and build a coaster that many of us and the GP might even like more than the tall skyscraper coasters that are so short. *** Edited 2/25/2006 3:54:48 PM UTC by Mantis2***

Putting Magnum in the bottom four is in insult. I demand that you apologize to her.

I hate to interrupt the "500 foot coaster" chatter by backtracking to Duff's, but I also remember one as a kid in Kissimee.

Anyway, one of the Duff's Smorgasbord eateries is still around (perhaps the only one) -- and in Dollywood country. . .

http://www.duffssmorgasbord.com/

Hehe, we went to (over)eat at Duff's in the Daytona area when I was a kid, family vacation to FL and the Mouse House...

Next eatery franchise for CP? ;)

Haha a launched ride that was 500' and went all the way around the penninsula is what I hope for!!! :p

No more launched rides. Launched rides are usually too short, i.e WT and TTD. Especially after waiting a long time in line.

If Cedar Point were to make a non-launch 500 ft ride it may not have as many problems as TTD, for the simple reason that it'd be non-launch. Most of TTDs' problems weren't because it was 400+ ft only, but because it was a 400+ft launch.

Chainlifts are always fun, you get some sight-seeing before the ride. Imagine at 500+ magnificent to gaze upon the sights. Not shooting past it in a quarter second. :)

Could it be possible a 500' could feature somthing similar to the "Thrill Lift" by Vekoma?

http://www.vekoma.com/rides_thrill_mega/thrill_lift.htm

Or... Possibly an upward launch, such as Power Tower in a vertical coaster format. Meaning... the launch is not down on the ground horizontaly, but rather vertically. This would possibly yeild less room. Also, a space shuttle theme could be applied. Yet again, Cedar Point isn't all THAT big on themeing. However, it could be a first. I'm not speculating, rather I'm just conjuring ideas of what COULD be.

Also, on a side note.
Did anyone notice the name of the image files?
http://cedarpoint.com/upload/blog/BT01.jpg
http://cedarpoint.com/upload/blog/BT02.jpg
BT? What is BT? I was wondering if anyone could answer that, because I have no idea. *** Edited 2/26/2006 1:05:21 AM UTC by Keith2005***