Cedar Point's Blog is teasing us!
(I/E those "in the know" aren't dismissing it as a an absurd work of fiction)
Dragstermania said:
I hate to burst your bubble Mantis, but TTD had it's best yr in 2005...The only time it had trouble was at the end of the year, other than that it was mabye half an hour wait
Well it wasn't running well the four days I was there in May (second weekend).
Saturday - ran for two hours at night
Sunday - not operational
Monday - operated for one hour at opening of park
Tuesday - didn't operate from park opening til I left at 3PM
SFoGswim said:
It took them 3 years to go from 300' to 400'. This will be 4 years. People who say, "Why the heck would they" should be asking, "Why the heck wouldn't they?"
That could be the worst logic I have ever heard. I'm sorry but that's just insane to present in this kind of discussion. Just because the interest and the demand for such a project was revolutionary once does not mean it will be again, nor does it mean that people would want that kind of ride COULD it be produced.
I think something big is coming, on the lines of a bigger looping MF. You can fill in the stats - my money is on over 500 and possibly 600, given CPs past history. Yes, this is what I personally want, but it also makes good business sense.
Tom
Tom
First off, lets look at what has been done as far as 400 footers and layouts. All we have is a 400ft drop into brakes, and a 129 ft camelback. woohoo!
Even with Millie, the transitions are very drawn out to keep the forces down...now scale that up to a 500-600 foot coaster and you have some really boring track layout taken at really high speed and thats it. The forces are never going to get above what they will be on a 100 foot coaster, so why do it?
Could a 500-600 foot coaster be built? Absolutely. But why do it? Draw up a coaster with a 500 lift hill and a huge layout...now, scale that same coaster down to 1/2 or 1/3, and you still have a huge coaster that will actually fit into a park and will give you the same forces that a 500 footer would. I just dont see ANY park doing it.
Now a 500ft Intamin Gyro-drop tower? I'm all for that.
And the point of all that would be? To take back a record from Six Flags? How lame.
Now Moosh's idea is something to get excited about!
RavenTTD said:
I don't get it. There is no point in a large coaster because the forces are the same as a small one but you want a large drop ride? Do you think the forces are different on a large drop ride, or are you just able to understand the thrill of size regardless of forces on a drop ride?
Dragster at 400 feet was about height and speed...I'd say more about speed cuz lets face it...if you blink, you miss the 400 foot aspect. If you're going to go for height, and want to accentuate that aspect, what better way to do it than with a drop ride. You get the slow ride up the tower, that we all miss on MF on Dragster...then you get a 400+ freefall possibly before hitting the brakes. Granted, no...forces are not goign to be much different...0g freefall is 0g freefall. But you are going to be able to say...I sure as hell know what 500 feet in the air feels like. And as far as footprint...well...it doesnt take up much more than a flatride. Just makes much more sense to me than trying to do it with a coaster.
I'll do this one more time.
If CP was going to build a 500+ foot ride, it's pretty safe to say it'd be built by Intamin. Intamin would either A) make a taller and faster rocket or B) build a traditional lift, probably with a cable.
If they choose A, it is the worst business decision they could ever make. They already have TTD which is over 400 feet. They would be MODERATELY changing a ride for ONLY another 100 feet or so. Other than that, it's the same ride with a few more million dollars down the tube. This would undoubtedly render TTD obsolete. Why would someone want to get launched 120mph and go up and down 420 feet when they can go 130mph and up and down 500 feet? It's the SAME thing, and if you can imagine driving to a peninsula and seeing 2 giant, slim towers protruding into the sky at 100 foot differential intervals than be my guest, but I refuse to believe that CP would make such an asinine decision. It would be TERRIBLY unproductive of them to replicate the exact same ride and waste the same amount of money when they haven't gotten the original working right, let alone KK, and they have not been in a position to need to legitimately outdo it.
If they went with option B, a traditional lift, you would have to understand that all of the ride's proportions would sky rocket. There is no such thing as a "small change" in track or a "tight turn" at this height and speed. A single turn would probably stretch the space from MF's 1st turnaround back to the WWL station. The dimensions, and inevitabely the land and money, this ride would require are mindboggling. Just to have a hill, drop and a few turns would probably exceed $20 million as it is. Also, there is no such thing as a "small malfunction" when you are dealing with 500 feet between the general public and the ground. Any type of machinary here would have to be so fail-safe that you can expect to tack on millions more in prevention features, like the motor to get MF going in case of a power failure.
Both of these paragraphs have been very short cliffsnotes from articles I have past drawn up and statements I have previously made. Again, I have had many give me credit for having a somewhat (if nothing else) logical rationale in this argument, and I am just going to keep saying that we will not see this ride in the 2007 season. Why? Because there is NO practical reason for it.
MForce2k said:
I'm getting really, really tired of presenting my little spiel...
If you're tired of presenting your opinion, imaging how we feel having to read it yet again?
Your post is your opinion. People are allowed to have differing opinions, America is great that way.
As the old saying goes, "Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has them, and a majority of them stink."
Now note, I am not saying your opinion stinks, nor anyone else's in this thread, I see the points in both sides.
But in the end, our opinions mean nothing. The only opinions that matter are the ones of the people who sit on Cedar Fair's board. And guess what, the decision of what is going in there has already been made. The contract for whatever is going to be built for next season already has been signed long ago. All the posturing and flame-baiting won't change it.
So, sit back, have a nice cold beverage of your choosing and enjoy the ride... *** Edited 2/28/2006 9:51:09 PM UTC by redman822***
--George H
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