Michigan's Adventure Future Plans

You have to hit up Timbers Swoosh! I'm going to try to go there when I'm visiting family in July but only if I have time because we are of course going to point and for the first time to Great America.
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Definitely worth the trip just to ride Timbers, especially if you are within a couple hours of the park.

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UK NeMeSiS said:
CoastaPlaya... only very few 6 year old boys would be tall enough and brave enough to ride a hyper. Come on... you should have thought before making that post!

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A little OT. I will beg to differ as well. Everytime I make it down to WOF there are quite a few young boys and girls riding Mamba. While many are nervous in the begining they all some to have fun.

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CoastaPlaya said:

Coaster Bob: Surely you jest. You just have to be. Chicagolanders will drive away from their local park with a hyper and an impulse to Muskegon to do what? Ride another hyper or impulse? And they would do this why?

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They do that now. I live in SW MI and I see a LOT of people from Illinois that just want to get out of Chicago. MIA is a great place to go to escape from the city. Many people from my area would rather go to MIA than SFGAm just because they don't want to drive through Chicago (The two parks are equal distances away too).

It's the same with CP and Detroit; why do you see so many people from there at CP? They want to get out of the city and do something like go to an amusement park. This is why MI is a great business opportunity. In 15-20 yrs this could be a great park (not that it already is) like CP is now, although a tad smaller.

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UK NeMeSiS said:
Thorpe which is growing faster... parhaps an intamin rocket giga? ohhhhhh yea.

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Thorpe Park will never get the approval to even add a hyper with their restrictions and the majority of the non-panicers you see on Superman:ride of Steel are thoselittle boys that don't know the meaning of fear yet. That's the beauty of childhood, and that's why they ride.

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*** This post was edited by Vertigo 5/26/2003 7:09:55 PM ***

Well I talked to my fiance and I think we are going to end up going to MiA on the way back. She took one look at Timbers and told me that we are going (she likes wooden coasters the best - a true enthusiast!). So I guess that's settled ;)

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Just by adding ST, MM and CF purchasing MA gave me the inspiration to drive out to the park and check it out. First trip was in 01. Went again in 02. I agree that shows, accomidations, and sit down resteraunts weill make the experience better. But let's face it a new coaster is usually a 10% or better attendance spike. To do a little breakeven analysis. Let's just say MA averages a half of a million visitors annually. By adding the Hyper it draws an extra 50,000 guests. On average each guest spends $50 that would give the park an extra Two million Five hundred thousand dollars. Add that to the other half mil spending the same that would be about twenty seven Million. One last thought if MA didn't add Shivering Timbers many people wouldn't even know that MA exist. So to say that MA doesn't need another star attraction is just being silly.

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I pray that the next coaster @ CP will be an Arrow 4D

If MIA were to get a hyper (which I believe is useless at THIS point) it better not just be an out an back 'cuz they already got enough of that(hint:Timbers).

Also WWC is a double out back. But Any hyper is better than no hyper at all. But if MIA doesn't add a hyper I'd hope they a decent flat ride or two!
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Never thought that I'd hear anyone complaining about a hyper let alone a hyper W/ loads of air.

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I pray that the next coaster @ CP will be an Arrow 4D

If the park can establish a significant Return On Investment, then anything is possible. However, with only attracting 500,000 per year (if that), I don't see a large coaster for some time. However, a Wood Twister would be nice!

I can see the park getting a Camp Snoopy before any other major coaster, and I'd guess it would be placed within the perimiter of the train ride.

mOOSH

Financial returns and such aside (although very valid points), I still don't understand something. Why is it, whenever the discussion turns to what coaster a smaller family-style park should get, that everyone seems to forget (IMHO) the most obvious choice?

Steel + Thrilling + Appeal to All Ages = Setpoint Super Saturator

Incidentally, what is the cost on one of those things (FSS or RS)?

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That would be a good attraction to add, considering how the water park/rides are quite appealing to MIA guests. Personally I've never had the chance to ride one but they look extremely fun and wet!!
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Agreed, Eric. I always laugh how some enthusiasts assume something huge is always the answer.

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Methinks HersheyPark's model was about $8 million. I could be wrong. I do agree a Super Saturator would be perfect--but of course you must recall my pro-waterpark bias.

thepinkdoomof monkeys: You couldn't be any more dead-on. An out-and-back hyper--and which one isn't?--plus ST equals far too much of the same. But frankly, what you want least of all is a 'twisted' Morgan. They design the smoothest (read: tamest, most boring) transitions anywhere.

Coasteroid: While some folks from the most easterly heel of the Chicagoland area may find MiA more attractive, the same isn't true for city folk, the west burbs or most of the Loop. The masses will keep hitting SFGAM like they always have. Furthermore, the majority of the 'get-away' folk tend to head in the opposite direction (Wisconsin Dells or Rockford). For Detroiters, CP is the closest amusement park--'getting away' has nothing to do with it. Chicago is not a primary market for MiA and CF knows this.

UKNemesis: How many kids do you have? Both of my girls were either tall enough or had boarded their first hyper at age five. You might wanna double-check your English/Metric conversions there.

CoasterBob: I don't think anyone here is saying MiA couldn't use another marquee attraction. On the other hand, you can dump all the cash you want to into a park without necessarily making it better.

There's more to a hyper than 'whoopee, we have a hyper.' There's painting a hyper, retracking a hyper and maintaining the trains. This coaster would become the single most expensive maintenance item in MiA's budget. As for loads of air....wait until mid-season when maintenance starts choking up on the MCBR because the pre-station brake run is taking a beating. Are you sure you want a wheel-smoking, huge-trained Morgan? Don't be so sure.

BTW, the folks discussing infrastructure are also correct. Check any of the SF or CF annual reports or quarterly statements...in-park spending is every bit as critical as attendance. VF's secret for drawing $9-10 million cap budgets every three years on average: More concession stands! More! More! You think I'm kidding...

-'Playa

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Would a hyper necessarily be more expensive to maintain than a large woodie like ST? Assuming continual gradual retracking like they've been doing? I don't know, just curious...

Have you ever seen one get retracked at a 140-200 foot elevation? Trust me, it would answer your question.

coasteroid said: They do that now. I live in SW MI and I see a LOT of people from Illinois that just want to get out of Chicago. MIA is a great place to go to escape from the city. Many people from my area would rather go to MIA than SFGAm just because they don't want to drive through Chicago (The two parks are equal distances away too).

Oh please. MIA the same distance from Chicago as SFGAm? Obviously you've never driven it. Just for fun, though, I plugged in "Gary, IN" (a stretch to call part of Chicago anyway, but it's closest to MIA) into Mapquest to see how far it is from SFGAm and MIA. While it's a full 70 miles to Great America, you're looking at more than *twice* that to Michigan's Adventure. From the city of Chicago itself, you're looking at three hours to MIA while SFGAm is only an hour tops. Do you honestly think people are goingn to travel that much further to Michigan when the closer park is one of the biggest in the nation?

As CoastaPlaya said, the tourism areas for Chicago residents are usually north into Wisconsin. Clearly there are some that go south (Indiana Beach serving that) and east (which MIA could grab), but not even the majority of residents take summer vacations like that, and you're splitting that between three areas. MIA absolutely does *not* have an $8 million population base to draw from, because SFGAm takes care of that quite well.

-Nate
*** This post was edited by coasterdude318 5/27/2003 2:24:51 PM ***

coasterdude, I ment it was the same distance to both parks where I live, SW MI. Sorry for the confusion. And I never said most of them come to MI, I just said many.

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