Worst coaster investments?
As long as we are talking about coasters that never opened to the public, let's not forget the Orphan Rocker.
P.S. I don't think it is THE WORST mistake, but Mean Streak should at least be in the discussion.
P.P.S. I'm usually against clones...but IF CP would clone Ghostrider (should not be too hard since they own it now) and put it on the Disaster site, it would be the single best investment (in terms of atmosphere, popularity, etc) the park has made since Magnum...
I can agree with the "upgrade" to Disaster Trnasport. I would rather have a bobsled coaster outside than in that building. 'Playa was dead on in his analysis.
I think the transition from SF to Geauga Lake caused alot of uproar among fans of the park, hell even some people didn't know the park was even open. It will take some time to bring people back.
It was definitely a good decision to give Arrow's latest design a try. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. *** Edited 4/13/2005 7:05:44 PM UTC by Coasterbuzzer***
A Ghostrider Clone, Thats the last thing Cedar Fair needs, I think Six Flags is stupid for cloning and mirroring all their coasters. When I go to a park I want to be drawn to a specific coaster, one of a kind design, not just a clone or a mirror of a coaster on the other side of the country. I don't know what Kenzel has in store for his leave, but we can all reassure that its not gonna be a GR clone.
Yes, Mean Streak has its problems but also it's on hte end of the point where the most wind is. The ride design is great and trimless it's quite fun, but it was put somewhere other than the tip of the point it would be awesome.
SOB, all I hear is complaints about this ride. The ride is simply genius. Did they use the right company to build it? No. Did they use the right rolling stock? No. IMO they should have gone with a company that is used to biggest, tallest, fastest and that is no other than Intamin. Look at RCCA's other masterpieces, Rattler, yeah great ride. But PKI went with the wrong company and it has shown. If you want the best ride, and this is from the mouth of Jeff Seibert, ride in seat 6-2.
My opinion of a "bad" not the worst investment was Cedar Fairs purchase of The Legends old G-Train. I understand the need and want to improve capacity on what could be a great coaster. But why buy another crappy train. First of all, the train already on RWB is open front while the new one isn't. Second, Cedar Fair is in possesion of three PTC's from the old Hercules coaster. One is sitting in Michigan's Adventure's employee parking lot and the other two are at Dorney somewhere. I've examined the one at MIA and it's in good condition. They should just use those and make RWB the coaster it should be.
MichiganRollerCoast said: I think Six Flags is stupid for cloning and mirroring all their coasters. When I go to a park I want to be drawn to a specific coaster, one of a kind design, not just a clone or a mirror of a coaster on the other side of the country.
The only people who know the difference are spoiled rotten enthusiasts. "Oh my, God, there's no way I'm gonna ride coaster 'z' because it's a clone of another coaster." Get over it. The reason coasters are cloned is because they do well in the original market and they want to bring that popularity to another one of their parks.
MichiganRollerCoast said: SOB, all I hear is complaints about this ride. The ride is simply genius. Did they use the right company to build it? No. Did they use the right rolling stock? No.
While I agree with your assessment on the train and the building company, I must say that SOB is absolute piece of craptastic wood. It is THE single worst ride I have EVER ridden. That said, should PKI tear down the ride? Nope. That ride is packing in tons of disillusioned riders. For some reason, people eat that coaster up. My view on the quality of the ride is the spoiled brat enthusiast view. I heard tons of people lauding SOB as the greatest thrill of their day when I was at PKI.
Certain victory.
As far as the G train that's on RWB now, it used to be on Villain.
And as for SOB, I don't mind it. I also love Mean Streak at CP and Hercules at Dorney. Maybe it's just me but I don't think any of the 3 are that bad.
MichiganRollerCoast said:
A Ghostrider Clone, Thats the last thing Cedar Fair needs..I don't know what Kenzel has in store for his leave, but we can all reassure that its not gonna be a GR clone.
Yeah, Cedar Fair never builds clones.
Yes, Mean Streak has its problems but also it's on hte end of the point where the most wind is.
So wind, not crappy Cedar Fair wooden coaster maintenance, is at fault for Mean Streak being a POS? Now I've heard everything!
Cedar Fair is in possesion of three PTC's from the old Hercules coaster...They should just use those and make RWB the coaster it should be.
Yeah, nothing would make Raging Wolf Bobs better than putting the exact same trains that caused all the problems back on it!
-Nate
My point is this: you assume all people think like enthusiasts. Of course WE want to see original layouts because we're aware of coasters around the world and we travel from park to park. Average Joe Park Guest doesn't know that there are more than a dozen Boomerangs in the USA because they rarely travel outside their local area to visit a theme park. When they do it's most likely for a Disney or Universal property.
Parks do not build with enthusiasts in mind nor should they, we are a very small percentage of their annual attendence. Parks build what they feel is best for their market. Trust me...if Cedar Point were to get a Ghostrider clone I have little doubt it would probably be a huge hit with the park guests, after all if would be a new experience for 99.99% of them!
mOOSH
Certain victory.
I also think that TTD and Kingda Ka are horrid investments, but that's based more on personal preference - if you're going to spend as much as it cost, again, for a 300' full circuit, at least give me something that lasts more than 20 seconds (well Ka might be more like 25 or 30?). But I'll still be in line for both of these this season ;) Unlike SoB ...
Anyone ever noticed the highly ironic shortening of Son of Beast's name? :) I think that's just about all I was saying the entire time as I was trying to salvage what was left of my knees and spine ...
*** Edited 4/13/2005 9:15:03 PM UTC by Impulse-ive***
TTD: Yeah, it's an awful lot of money for a short ride. But if you can afford to spend it, you can afford to spend it. Dumber decisions have been made with cap ex dollars...
-'Playa
NOTE: Severe fecal impaction may render the above words highly debatable.
Guests stand in awe at that thing. It really draws people because of the whole stadium, and watching people launch and everything. Sure it may get boring after a while, but many people go there once a year on vacation, and that ride is amazing for them.
It's expensive, but in the long run I think Dragster was as great addition to Cedar Point. The thing about CP is that you have the best of 3 worlds, Magnum, tons of bunny hops=airtime, Millennium Force, Awesome first drop and the relentless speed, and Dragster, which is a pure adrenaline rush.
Wouldn't suck if they just built a 200, 300 and 400 footer exactly the same? I like it this way better.
I still think Drachen Fire was good, I think it was a worse move to remove it. They should have added some more rides near it to draw people.
MF vs. Steel Dragon, MF has been SUCH a better investment. Everyone comes off smiling and cheering and Steel Dragon just sits there.
P.S. I said I don't like clones (as an enthusiast), but Ghostrider is special. They have the design, and the could probably do it cheaper since they don't have to build it to earthquake code (if this is in fact a true rumor). Either way, it seems most agree that the boardwalk area back there needs a good woodie. I would consider moving back to the cold of Ohio IF they ever got a world class woodie like Ghostrider at The Point.
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