Wicked Twister

amusementparkfanatic85 said:
"I mean, cedar point was probably going to add a shuttle type coaster eventually...if this one isn't the best then name one shuttle coaster that could beat it."

With the emphasis on *could* as of course no one has ridden WT-CP (as opposed to WT-VF) I will simply say two words:

Mister Freeze
ciao,
moi
--Have an ICE ride!

I'm sorry, Koaster King, I was mistaken.  Even though you didn't say it would've made good business sense to put in two impulses, it must have been implied.  I do apologize for getting confused by your post.  I should have realized that:

 100 better things they could have come up with:
-CCI(any kind, anywhere)
-retracking Mean Streak(by Intamin maybe?)
-a motion theatre
-water coaster
-new flat rides
-TA2K
-4th Dimension
-B&M flyer
-a full circuit inverted Intamin with little twists for crying out loud!!

ACTUALLY means that they should get TWO impulses!  You must like attention since you're intentionally trying to pi$$ people off.  Did you take your pills today?


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Jeff's avatar
Koaster King said:
"What would have been the best business decision IMHO for CP in 2002? 2 Intamin Impulses!"
Why? Explain to me how that would put anymore money in their pockets, because I don't see why. As best I can tell, they'd spend another $9 million that would have negligible, if any, return.

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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

"We saw it, we liked it, we wanted it" - Mrs. Witherow(Cedar Point's PR Manager).

I don't understand why some people think this is a bad move. Let me break it down:

1. All of the Six Flags' Impulses have been highly praised and are very popular. It is a smart decision made by Cedar Point to pick such a product. If all of the other impulses were successful, why wouldn't Cedar Point's be, especially that it has a new "twist" to it?

2. I notice some of you are saying, Cedar Point should have put in two, because the lines will move slow. To get 1000 pph is pretty darn good, Millennium Force can pull between 1200-1600(I may be wrong, please correct me if I am). Also you got to remember that, people will also be riding Millennium Force and the other rides, which will help balance out the lines, since the two major rides are on opposite sides of the park. I personally think that Cedar Point did the right thing, they spent a little extra money on making the trains bigger, which bumped up the pph, instead of spending 6+ million on another whole ride system.

3. Cedar Point's addition will draw people to their park instead of Six Flags Whatever. I visited Six Flags one time this year and one last, the only reason for my return this year was S:UE. Now that Cedar Point will have one, it will give me a excuse not to go to Six Flags. I am sure I am not the only one... In fact I know several people who returned to Six Flags mainly to ride S:UE. Especially that Cedar Point's version will be more "twisted".

I personally think Wicked Twister is a great addition to the park. Then again I, unlike some, wasn't expecting a 400 foot tall, multi record breaking coaster. Some people need to understand, that every ride Cedar Point builds doesn't have to break x amount of records to be good.

-Andrew Hyde
http://www.experiencethepoint.com

*** This post was edited by Andrew on 11/26/2001. ***

Andrew is the first person on this forum to post the fact that he understands my point.  Now that CP has an impulse, why should people travel all the way to that six flags park?  Especially when CP's impulse is bigger, has an extra twist, and a little faster.
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Is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable?
Why would I also travel to SFWOA with a bigger Impulse in the area? Because The Villian is still the closest CCI to Maryland, and Mean Streak stinks.

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SFA 2002-What are they building?


Well, it would certainly be a lot better than pissing a lot of people off over 3+ hour waits. I'm sure they could have found a good way to work this out Jeff with not having to cost as much.

I still don't get where you think I actually want these decisions over an double-twisting impulse??? I mean, if they added it to WOF this year and CP got two flat rides and Snoopy, I would still be going to CP 2-3 times and make an additonal trip to WOF. It has nothing to do with my personal preferences as I truly don't give a flying donkey what the park gets because I doesn't come out of my pockets, and well, I can get it somewhere else.

Jeff's avatar
Figure out how to get two for one? Is Intamin having a blue light special? So when you say they should have built two, that's not really what you meant? Am I now supposed to read your mind or just figure that you didn't give a flying donkey in the first place? For someone who doesn't care about it, you sure post a lot about it.

And what three hour waits? The longest line I stood in all year was an hour for Millennium Force, where it just about maxed out on all but July and August weekends. Why? Because the crowds are spread out. Add another 1000 pph ride and they're spread even further. I doubt very much that people will choose to stand in long lines when other rides have little to no wait. People really aren't that stupid.

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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

Some of you guys are missing the idea here. Cedar Point, (and this may come as a shock to some), is a business, plain and simple! The addition of Wicked was a brilliant move for several reaons:

1) As Jeff has stated over on GTTP, it tells SFWOA that if they want to run with the big boys, they had better be willing to build taller, faster, better capacity. What better way to one-up the competition than to take "their design" and show them how to improve on it. I can guarantee that with a minimum of 6 ride ops working Wicked, they will hit their goals of 1000 people per hour. Cedar Point knows about capacity...people waiting in line, CAN NOT spend their money elsewhere in the park...nd thats what it all comes down to

2) Cedar Point is so unique in that it offers many different types of coasters. Why built something to the extreme heightof MF, when nobody around has anything like it, and you can still market it off of it. While I personally would have liked to have seen a floorless, I understand that the park wanted to enter the launched coaster market, and think the time was right, esp. if SFWOA has a crappy year attendance wise.

3) Marketing Wicked is going to be a very easy, and succesful campaign. I live in Detroit, and the CP campaigns out-numbered SFWOA by a five-to-one margin this past season. Now, throw in a new coaster that is taller, faster, and a better design than S:UE, and you can put that puppy to bed!

Overall, I think it is a great addition to the park, and I am looking forward to the backwards spiral the most. Everyone will not be happy with the ride, and I believe several people on here warned us of that before the park made the offiial announcement. On the bright side, if you don't like the ride...less lines for me. If you are really unhappy with the park's decision, don't worry. Given the park's every other year plan, the next coaster might roll along in 2004, so you only have a few years to wait...

Mike


Jeff said: Figure out how to get two for one? Is Intamin having a blue light special? So when you say they should have built two, that's not really what you meant? Am I now supposed to read your mind or just figure that you didn't give a flying donkey in the first place? For someone who doesn't care about it, you sure post a lot about it.

Good one Jeff! LOL! This is how they could have reasonably done it if they didn't necessarily care about the record too much:

2 normal impulses maybe 200'
2 twisted impulses at 181'

This would lower amount of track needed and train cars needed which should reduce cost to about $17 million for the entire addition including Snoopy, etc. 

I'm sure that would have saved a decent amount of money and as I said, that's what I think on the issue. It's not made to be as overanalyzed as evidently you like to make things.

I meant I don't care what CP gets or how many oodles they get of it. I was just putting in what I thought on the subject. Evidently, our nation's schools have forgot to teach how to infer. You think all books end with a nice little bow and tie ending. No my friend. This one ends with a wicked twist.

*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 11/27/2001. ***

Jeff said:

And what three hour waits? The longest line I stood in all year was an hour for Millennium Force, where it just about maxed out on all but July and August weekends. Why? Because the crowds are spread out. Add another 1000 pph ride and they're spread even further. I doubt very much that people will choose to stand in long lines when other rides have little to no wait. People really aren't that stupid.

Another funny one you made here Jeff. At least to me. All 3 times I went to CP this year, May, July, and August, MF had a 2 to 2.5 hour wait as well as Mantis. Sorry I didn't go the same days as you. Yes, evidently the crowds are spread out as MS had 30-45 minute waits, Raptor was at 1.5 hours, Mine Ride was 20 minutes in the middle of a thunderstorm, 15 minutes other times, and the Country show ran out of seats...twice!

And here's where part of the Joker thing came in. I highly doubt this ride will ever reach 900 pph and no, it's not CP's fault. I bet the estimates by Intamin are probably a little high, and I know how much people play around the station on coasters, especially not knowing where to put their belongings and how to buckle their belt. No, people aren't that stupid are they. But obviously, we've ran into different experiences at the park.

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Danny

PKI 2002- "The Rollercoast is Toast!"

This just goes to show CP is worried about SFWoA, I'll point out why. As jeff stated on GTTP they want to take there coaster and make it better, what I imply from that is people are going to ride the other parks and we want to bring them back with a bigger version of theres. Its all a mines bigger than yours so come to mine dont ride theres come see what we can do with a great ride. As for attendance being down how come no one has supplied a link to this study done or who even did the study, I would like to see it also or is this for Jeff's eyes only(I only say this because I was asked last year when I said SFO had a big jump in attendance I was asked by you to provide a link to it). Eveyone still wants to compare a 1year old park with a 100 year old park lets go back through CP's history and see how they used to do in there first years. You cant build a 100 year old park in 1 year, Rome was not build in a day this will take time also.

 
Edited insert: Just read this and the way I ask you the question Jeff I sound like an A-hole please dont take as that its just a question.
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Army Rangers lead the way

 

*** This post was edited by supermandl on 11/27/2001. ***

supermandl said:
Eveyone still wants to compare a 1year old park with a 100 year old park lets go back through CP's history and see how they used to do in there first years. You cant build a 100 year old park in 1 year, Rome was not build in a day this will take time also.

I completely agree with everything you said, but you can't just build Rome and then run it with a poor government. That's not attractive to anyone nor will it be successful in the future.

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Danny

PKI 2002- "The Rollercoast is Toast!"

You think romes first year's where peachy Look at all the leadership that changed hands how many emperors came and went(just like it will take managment  changes at SFWoA heads need to roll for it to start rolling). It took time just like it took time for CP to be like it is and for PKI to be like it is, it takes trial and error no matter what you biz you run. You think the management team at CF learned everything they know in 1 year.
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Army Rangers lead the way

*** This post was edited by supermandl on 11/27/2001. ***

If SF had any B***s they would go over to CF management and spend some of the roller coaster money on them, In my book the managment team at CP would be worth the value of  Giga coaster to me, instead of the park buying anymore coaster's they should invest in some CF manager's and get there moneys worth.
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Army Rangers lead the way

*** This post was edited by supermandl on 11/27/2001. ***

Oh, I'm completely agreeing on that part as number one, Cedar Point's team is by far the best when you talk about ride ops, loading, friendliness, effeciency, etc. Any other decent park's management would do them a World of good to take a lesson from. I've been saying this for awhile that they're got the moves(coasters), but they don't have the touch. Don't get me wrong, yeah, I think their alright. But that won't get me back with just another simple 'Flight'. ;)

BTW, did anyone else notice that the CP's mysterious trend continues in the Six Flags chain. No not WoA or MM. I'm talking about Great America!! Those who've seen the pattern know what I'm talking about. In a sense, we did get "Deja Vu" as well from this in several odd ways.
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Danny

What did Cedar Peter say to Island Merlin?

Flaggy Maggie ain't getting anywhere near my Peninsula!

At first I was indifferent towards the announcement. But after shutting up for a few days, I do think it's a good move. The impulse at SFWOA is a great ride, and Twister will be better. It brings much needed development to the lakefront and opens the doors to future expansion there. Plus, the cost of the ride was not astronomical. Who knows, we might get another coaster next year. Bottom line, CP finally has a launch!
Koaster King wrote: I meant I don't care what CP gets or how many oodles they get of it.

Yes you do, KK. I've been reading this thread along with the other one about SFWoA and you're the only one that's being very vocal. Man, it's just a freakin coaster. I think you need to relax or something. So telling us you don't care about what CP gets is a total lie, otherwise you wouldnt be staying up half the night responding to everyone that differs from your opinion. All it's doing is making you look bad, don't you think??

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Dayuum, Your HOT!

Jeff's avatar
Koaster King said:
"This is how they could have reasonably done it if they didn't necessarily care about the record too much:

2 normal impulses maybe 200'
2 twisted impulses at 181'

This would lower amount of track needed and train cars needed which should reduce cost to about $17 million for the entire addition including Snoopy, etc."

So now you're getting quotes from Intamin and a hundred feet of track can shave millions off the cost of the ride. Whatever... now you're just making stuff up and I'm done talking about it. Anyone who says they don't care in one breath but stays up all night talking about it can't be reasoned with.

supermandl said:
"This just goes to show CP is worried about SFWoA, I'll point out why."
Nah... they're not concerned. Flat out ask the senior folks there. They're certainly watching the other park, but I think concerned is too strong a word. Heck, after taking a big step backward in attendance last year at SFWoA, I'm sure they're even less concerned.

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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

rollergator's avatar
I agree with Jeff, to a degree, about the crowd spreading out with this addition.  However, we are all also aware that the LATEST ride added to a park will always draw a disproportionate share of the crowd.  (My longest wait, ever, was at PKI, 2 1/2 hours for Face-Off in its opening year).  With a THEORETICAL maximum that low, this ride WILL have long lines, no doubt about it. 
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