Wicked Twister

Sunday, November 25, 2001 1:55 PM
What is your opinion of Wicked Twister.  Is it a good choice for cedar point? is it going to be that much better than S:UE?

I personally think that it is going to be a big disappointment.  I was all hyped up for cedar point to get a big B&M floorless or Flying or a CCI.  But we get a tall thrill ride, with two spirals.  I was wondering if other people have the same feelings I have about this ride.

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 1:58 PM
Although its been talked about many times. I think its a dead even good and bad decision. It is good cause CP gets a launched coaster and its a one of a kind Impulse, it also brings up the coaster count. It could be bad cause of hourly capacity but I'm sure it wont be that huge of a problem as some people are making it sound. IMO, It not a bad decision they made but its a coaster and I will ride it so I'm not gonna complain.
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Sunday, November 25, 2001 2:00 PM
I think it wil be good but they should add a surprise like the split second hult but this ride doesnt have any surprise
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Sunday, November 25, 2001 2:17 PM
It was a STRONG marketing decision.  Now that CP has a one of a kind impulse, what is SFWoA gonna be able to say that makes theirs better?  It was a worlds first?  So is CP's, but taller, and it has 2 twists.  SFWoA is gonna need a reason to get people to come to their park.
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Sunday, November 25, 2001 2:25 PM
It's a "Take that SFWoA " kind of move.

I personally think it would be cool to see a CCI along the beach...
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Sunday, November 25, 2001 2:31 PM
DDfire19, It is not like S:UE is the only ride at SFWoA!! It us kind of funny, how overly exaggerated your statement is that SFWoA is going to need a reason to get people to the park, just because of Wicked Twister. SFwoA added a whole park last year and they have plenty of rides to attract crowds, it is not like one impulse is going to make all the SFWoA rides obsolete.

Anyways, I think it is a brillant decision since it is very atypical of CP, not that expensive for CP, and should draw most of the GP due to its uniqueness. A nice addition that does not take up much space.

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 2:40 PM
Isn't Wicked Twister CP's first Shuttle coaster? There is probably a way to market that.
"Introducing Cedar Point's first and best Shuttle coaster 'Wicked Twister'!!!" or something like that :)

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 2:50 PM
Personally I think that it's a BAD decision because these Impulse coasters really aren't that Great. I would have ratherd seen a CCi along the beach or a B&M floorless. Better yet A Setpoint . That would be an awesome adition to CP due to it will be a one of a kind coaster that is the newest prototype in the field of amusement park rides. It would make sence since CP is usually the one who brings in the newest amusement park technology.
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Sunday, November 25, 2001 2:53 PM
Have you ridden an Impulse SFDL fan???  I thought the same thing, but when I rode S:UE, I was surprised at its intensity and I liked it alot.

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:07 PM

SFDL fan said:
That would be an awesome adition to CP due to it will be a one of a kind coaster that is the newest prototype in the field of amusement park rides. It would make sence since CP is usually the one who brings in the newest amusement park technology.

um, CP virtually never builds prototypes.  Sorry to burst your bubble. 

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:09 PM
Just be happy that this will reduce lines big time for MF. 
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Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:11 PM
I never said that it was SFWoA's only coaster.  CP has been losing attendance to SFWoA and now they have something better than SFWoA that falls in the same category.  For example, if you had to chose between IOA or BGT.  BGT has B&M's first ever sit-down complete with a dive loop and interlocking corkscrews and an upward helix.  But IOA also has a B&M sit-down but it has a launch.  Hulk doesn't have the dive loop like Kumba, but Kumba doesn't have a launch like hulk.  But both hulk and kumba have helixes.  Then you can look at the rest of the park.  Montu is taller and faster and has more inversions than DD, but DD dragons is a dueling invert like nothing else.  They both have immelmans, but ICE has a cobra roll and montu has a batwing.  My whole point is, you may have a similar product, but it's the differences that make it stand out.  SFWoA needs to find something different that CP doesn't have.  It's marketing.  CP needed something to bring the crowd away from SFWoA.  The people that went to SFWoA and rode SUE, will see ads for WT and say, hey, that's like SUE, except it has twists on both ends and is taller.  Let's go check that out.  Get my drift?

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:21 PM
Here is what I find to be totally amusing in this whole thing.  People are saying how they were "hyped up" about a B&M or CCI.  Here is the thing, they are rumors and until the park announces, why let yourself get that emotionally distrot.  They are giving up a 15th coaster, be happy.  Would you prefer they have said "oh, we were going to get a coaster but those people on coasterbuzz were so saddened by what we were going to do we scrapped the idea and turned the area into the beach again."  If so, then go for it.  If you are not happy about it, then do not go, that simple.  There is a reason to their madness so to say.
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Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:29 PM

DDFire19 said:
I never said that it was SFWoA's only coaster.  CP has been losing attendance to SFWoA and now they have something better than SFWoA that falls in the same category.  For example, if you had to chose between IOA or BGT.  BGT has B&M's first ever sit-down complete with a dive loop and interlocking corkscrews and an upward helix.  But IOA also has a B&M sit-down but it has a launch.  Hulk doesn't have the dive loop like Kumba, but Kumba doesn't have a launch like hulk.  But both hulk and kumba have helixes.  Then you can look at the rest of the park.  Montu is taller and faster and has more inversions than DD, but DD dragons is a dueling invert like nothing else.  They both have immelmans, but ICE has a cobra roll and montu has a batwing.  My whole point is, you may have a similar product, but it's the differences that make it stand out.  SFWoA needs to find something different that CP doesn't have.  It's marketing.  CP needed something to bring the crowd away from SFWoA.  The people that went to SFWoA and rode SUE, will see ads for WT and say, hey, that's like SUE, except it has twists on both ends and is taller.  Let's go check that out.  Get my drift?
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Coasters are like a fine wine, they get better with age.

You're just reading way to much into this.  There is nobody in the general public that compares coasters like this.  The majority of people that go to CP may know that there is a new coaster this year, and not know much else about it. 
And do tell me, where are your research based facts when you say that CP is loosing attendance to SFWoA?

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 7:09 PM
I know its gonna be a good ride, but there is still something about it that dissapoints me. I guess we were all hoping for a new ride hot off the heels of MF. After all, that was a great coaster. But now that we get something that is a 'step down' as far as coasters go, we all whine. -Including me, don't get me wrong.

I guess no coaster could follow after MF and look just as awesome. Imagine though, if CP got WT in 2000, and MF in 2002... We'd be like "WT is amazing", and be totally blown away by it.

MF spoiled us!

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 7:25 PM
We do not even know for a fact that WT will be clearly better than S:UE, as some may prefer to have one straight tower.
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Sunday, November 25, 2001 7:41 PM
I think this is businesswise one of the worst possible decisions for CP to ever make. Top 5 List Why?:

5)It brings them down to SFMM status with a low capacity shuttle coaster and non-traditional non-full-circuit coasters (quantity).

4)They are blowing their history a second time this year with what I stated above and the loss of historical status for the Breakers.

3)There is finally reason to knock them out of the Best Capacity spot and Best Park spot IMHO, since their at least in the same lines there or lower than the Busch, Disney, Universal, and tradional parks to lose that place.

2)Why would people run to this if they didn't run to MF!?!?

1)Overall, the reduction of themselves to this level is very annoying and I believe there are 100 better things they could have come up with:
-CCI(any kind, anywhere)
-retracking Mean Streak(by Intamin maybe?)
-a motion theatre
-water coaster
-new flat rides
-TA2K
-4th Dimension
-B&M flyer
-a full circuit inverted Intamin with little twists for crying out loud!!

The Grand Prize Winning reason: Besides the ride, the name sucks for this park!! I mean this ride and this name is in the wrong park at the wrong time! What did they want?? Record for most coasters with a name starting with W?? They already won the M's! Let's just take it a step further they thought!

Thanks for reading my opinions on this subject. And best of luck to the park. I'll be at MF or Magnum! Hey, looks like my signature will come true after all...and it will be the second year in a row!!! Whooopie!!
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*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 11/26/2001. ***

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:03 PM
Here's the bottom line: It's a new coaster, it's tall, it's fast, and the existing impulses are a lot of fun. Sounds like a good move to me.

Who cares what you were "expecting." They're building a great coaster, thrill ride, or whatever you want to call it.

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 9:13 PM

DDFire19 said:
"CP has been losing attendance to SFWoA and now they have something better than SFWoA that falls in the same category."
Not even close. SFWOA took a hit in a big way, and it has a lot to do with combining parks that together brought in more than 3 million folks. As I mentioned in another thread, I have it on good authority from People Who Know(TM) that Six Flags Geauga Sea Lake World did about a million and a half, and that's from solid market research. Brand identity is nearly non-existant with the park.

On the other hand, Cedar Point was a little below expectations, but real close to last year because of the longer season (anyone who visited during Halloweekends knows what I'm talking about).

You can go on and on about records, awards, enthusiasts like and dislikes, etc., but you're all talking about meaningless stuff from the park's perspective. The public doesn't know a Golden Ticket from a speeding ticket or an Impulse from a weak pulse. Before last year, ask the average Clevelander what the tallest coaster in the world is and they'll tell you Magnum, even though we knew better.

What matters is the park comes out screaming with two marketing campaigns, one for the families (Snoopy Rocks on Ice) and one for the teens and 20-somethings (Wicked Twister). I don't mean to shock some of you, but there are people who go to the park for the kiddie rides, shows and the junk food. They've got more marketing muscle in the local markets (Cleveland, Detroit, Toldeo, Columbus) than SFWOA could ever produce in 2002 because they have very focused product associated with a park known for great rides and a hundred years of showing people a good time. I think this provides them with a better marketing opportunity than Millennium Force, quite frankly.

Come on guys... take off your enthusiast hats for a change. Most of you should know this drill by now.

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Sunday, November 25, 2001 9:58 PM
The trouble is Jeff, I think some of these enthusiast hats are surgically implanted on some peoples heads(therefore no matter what anyone says, they cannot be removed).

CP is taking a popular (yes, its popular) type coaster and putting it on their soil. Six Flags has a winner with SUE and V2. Cedar Fair knows this and they are obviously willing to gamble with it. I am willing to bet the house and car that this coaster will be a great addition to their already existing lineup. It adds to their variety which I am trying to figure out why some of you dont agree with it. So what if it already exists at a park within local driving distance away. I may not be from a state that has 3 major parks, but I am beginning to think that these 3 parks have spoiled alot of you. Wait a minute, I am not beginning to think that but I already knew that from these past 2 years.

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