Wicked Twister

I was expecting something better, like a CCI, or a cool B&M Floorles or Flying...I dont know, something better.

I've always seen CP being very selective, and that's why all their coasters are truly unique, but this one, I dont think so...What??? because is 200+ft??? 2 spirals???, maybe quite surprising but in a couple of years others parks will have this coaster, and the Wicked Twister wont be unique anymore...Was kind of disapointing to me...
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I honestly don't get why this is such an issue at all. Just ask yourself this question, Impulse? or empty area. Impulse? empty area. Impulse? nothing. Impulse? or nothing.

Everything else is just commentary, capacity is a matter of perspective. So you didn't get what you wanted for Christmas, head across the park, ride Millennium Force and move on.

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It's all about competition which you people can't figure out.  Why else would they get a super impulse.  All of those other great coasters would work awesome at that park.  Sure they could get a B&M flyer, but to the public, that's the same thing as X-Flight with a different color.  They could have gotten a CCI (the public won't recognize the brand), but it would have been the same thing as Villain to them.  They could get a floorless, BKF.  You take an impulse, make it 40-50 feet taller(216ft sounds taller than 170ft, right?), and add an extra twist and viola!, you've got yourself some competition.  SFWoA is gonna come up with something next year to match CP.  You wait and see.  That's what theme parks do.  Compete.  They say, hey, look at our coaster, it's the best, and then someone else comes out with something similar and says no, ours is better and so on.  Look at Disney trying to attract thrillseekers.  RNR is a good example.  I would never have gone to MGM this summer if they didn't have RNR.  But because they had something unique that wasn't at another park, I went, I rode, and I liked.  They pulled me away from a competitor.  You guys HAVE to understand what I'm trying to say.
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I think it was a wise move, myself. It's a different kind of ride for CP, is perfectly placed to draw attention to a part of the park that needed it, and the cost factor allows them to add another "family feature" (Snoopy on Ice). CP doesn't just build for coaster enthusiasts, they build for the GP. Not everyone has ever ridden an impulse before, including me. From Michigan, I can go to CP for day trips without much hassle, but a trip to SFWoA means an overnight, or face 6 or more hours of driving in one day. I'd much rather stick with a park I KNOW will provide a fun day, and has Millennium Force as well.

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I think that it is a bad move SFWOA has the same ride 90 min away.  The only difference is the extra twist.  And another thing how does that give CP the most coasters in the world.  They are tied with SFMM.  I know CP doesn't consider Superman to be a ride and WT to be a roller coaster. Doesn't make sense to me!
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Cedar Point has a history of taking existing designs and tweaking them, making them longer, taller, and faster.  They did it with Mantis, Raptor, Power Tower, Mean Streak, and Magnum just to name a few.  Now they're doing it with Intamin's impulse.  I see nothing wrong with WT as their 2002 addition.
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CedarPointMan2 said:
"I think that it is a bad move SFWOA has the same ride 90 min away."
Ha!

Chitown said:
"The trouble is Jeff, I think some of these enthusiast hats are surgically implanted on some peoples heads(therefore no matter what anyone says, they cannot be removed)."
And it only took a few posts to demonstrate that point.

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Just out of curiosity, what did people say in 1998 when CP got Power Tower. That seems to be in more or less the same category and is an awesome thrill ride imo. Also, how can this ride make CP worse at all. It will hopefully take lines away from MF, popularize a new section of the park, and hopefully provide a good thrill. Finally, is anyone surprised CP would spend less this year after an economic downturn and spending $25 million on MF two years ago. I think most of us have been spoiled by CP and can't seem to handle them doing something a little less than the last time.
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Some people need to put things into perspective.  The world doesn't revolve around coaster enthusiasts.

Mamoosh said:
Cedar Point has a history of taking existing designs and tweaking them, making them longer, taller, and faster.  They did it with Mantis, Raptor, Power Tower, Mean Streak, and Magnum just to name a few.  Now they're doing it with Intamin's impulse.  I see nothing wrong with WT as their 2002 addition.


Good point.  What is wrong with Cedar Point installing a roller coaster that will be fun?  Isn't that what counts?  You can go whine and complain about not getting what you wanted, and I will enjoy flying backwards, twisting in the air at 200+ft.

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Man, I am excited about this one and I don't know why everyone else isn't.  I LOVE V2, coaster or not, I love it.  It's one of my favorites.  I'm planning my first trip to CP, and am looking forward to this ride more than anything else they can build.  Oh, and anyone that thinks this was a bad descision for CP, we'll your not running a major theme park, and its probably a good thing.  This was the ONLY descision for CP, and I for one can't see them not building this ride.  They don't give a s**t about you, all they care about is putting up an exciting ride that will attract people.  Not only that, its realativly cheap and doesn't take up a whole lot of room.  The park is a business, get used to it.
Koaster King: What does the new ride have to do with Cedar Point "Blowing their history?" Nothing historically significant was lost on this ride and it can even be argued that it enhanced the history by it's location. A dead zone in the park is revitalized and the beach, the original reason for the park's existence, is again showcased. Breakers losing it's historic landmark status is a result of past events and has nothing to do with the new ride.

I'll admit that I am not all that excited about the new ride itself on a personal level but I do think it will do wonders for that area of the park. Look at the artist's rendering. Twister framing the Giant Wheel along the beach is as classic an amusement park scene as you can get. The blend of old and new technology fits together perfectly.

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Koaster King said:
I think this is businesswise one of the worst possible decisions for CP to ever make. Top 5 List Why?:
5)It brings them down to SFMM status with a low capacity shuttle coaster and non-traditional non-full-circuit coasters (quantity).
4)They are blowing their history a second time this year with what I stated above and the loss of historical status for the Breakers.
3)There is finally reason to knock them out of the Best Capacity spot and Best Park spot IMHO, since their at least in the same lines there or lower than the Busch, Disney, Universal, and tradional parks to lose that place.
2)Why would people run to this if they didn't run to MF!?!?
1)Overall, the reduction of themselves to this level is very annoying and I believe there are 100 better things they could have come up with:
-CCI(any kind, anywhere)
-retracking Mean Streak(by Intamin maybe?)
-a motion theatre
-water coaster
-new flat rides
-TA2K
-4th Dimension
-B&M flyer
-a full circuit inverted Intamin with little twists for crying out loud!!
The Grand Prize Winning reason: Besides the ride, the name sucks for this park!! I mean this ride and this name is in the wrong park at the wrong time! What did they want?? Record for most coasters with a name starting with W?? They already won the M's! Let's just take it a step further they thought!

OMG, this has to be one of the least well-thought out, lamest, most idiotic attempts to make ANY points I've ever seen in my life.

 
I'm gonna respond point by point here, starting with the last, same way you did it.


5.  How many GP in our region know ANYTHING about this stupid "how many coasters" war and all the specifics like "OMG is STE a coaster blah blah" anyway?  I don't understand how building ONE coaster "brings them down" to any "status."  Get it through your head that they ARE NOT COMPETING with *SFMM* for customers.


4.  How are they "blowing their history" here?  They're putting in a rollercoaster/big attraction this season, as they've done every other season for a long time now.  Heck, someone could've made a bigger argument for them screwing around with history by building MF...look at the area of the park they put it into, the Frontier Trail...


3.  Just because they add a ride that may not be as high-capacity as most of their other coasters by nature, they've still ADDED capacity overall to their park.  And you know what?  I'll bet this Impulse will be run at its very maximum capacity, as high as humans will be able to run it, just like the rest of the coasters at CP, run by some of the hardest-working ride operators in the industry. (And I'm not just saying that cause I WAS one for the last 3 seasons)  As another interjection to the capacity/line length ongoing argument, excluding opening day, which is crazy, there IS a limit to the amount of time people will wait in line.  As such I doubt the lines for this are going to be much longer time-wise than the lines for MF opening year.  People will simply see the wait time and walk away, maybe come back later in the day or wait for the next day or something. 


2.  Who didn't run to MF?  Heh, as a witness to the running of the bulls a lot of mornings, I'll tell ya, A LOT of people run to MF.  And WT will be a much shorter run, you know? 


1.  Just because YOU think they should get something else doesn't mean they "reduced themselves" to any "level", and you have yet to prove how they did.  Your post is very self-important and, for lack of a better word, annoys me.
And your grand prize reason, I have something that begins with a "W" for ya here...


WTF?????


As in WTF are you talking about, a record for coasters that begin with 'W'....WTF????


Go away.


-Natalie
Just....go away.

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AirtimeSROS said:[quote removed... there's no reason to quote an entire post when we can read it just fine by scrolling up... -J]

Ok, right back at you in reverse again.

5)Here I'm saying that everyone says CP is this World Class park because of all these record breaking rides they get, but always put down SFMM, because they have "shuttle" coasters and low capacity rides and just want a record. But the tables are turned and all the Pointers are like "shuttle coasters are good. CP can never do wrong". Where the quantity issue comes in, I say with what SFMM lacks in effecient ride ops they make up with capacity and theming. For CP, trade theming with ride ops. There you go. Same level. These(SFMM and CP) aren't my personal choices for comparisons, but it seems to be easy for the rest of the enthusiast world, so that was my choice. And duh they don't compete for customs. I never even pretended to allude to the fact.

4)They ruined their history of quality rides with high capacity attractions. This thing just feels to me like it sets off the whole "theme" and roundness the park has, but I'll just have to see for myself how it fits in before I judge any further.

3)I agree with you on this subject, but still hold my original belief.

2)I don't mean the act of physically running. I meant actually wanted to get to the park as fast as they could which means I think they're gain over 2000 will be extremely minimal if any. I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped again in attendance, but I think Snoopy might be able to hold them up.

1)Holy f*@&! I have absolutely no clue where I sounded the least bit like this was of any importance to me. I would have less to talk about if they got nothing but the other things would have personally excited me for the park, and I would promise to never ride one of those in my life just to prove I like what's best for the park. I don't know what's best since I'm not the expert, but those seems like damn good choices to me. I just think there's better things to do with $11-13 million than to keep up with a record. I'm sorry if it seems like more than that to you businesswise. That's just the vibe I'm getting from it. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

Grand Prize: I just threw this one out since I thought the name was outrageously Six Flags-like or even something that would go to a different CF park. Actual ride and name. The W and M thing was something ironic I got from someone else, but it's so odd these are their letters of choice. Must have been some big research on those names, let me tell ya!

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Wow, it's like I've been reading the same posts over and over and over again, just by different people.  Seems like there are people just trying to think of an intelligent way to whine because they didn't get what they wanted (Koaster King), and then there are the people that are just happy to have another coaster at their favorite park.  CP isn't my favorite park, but I'm sure I'll go there next year and I'll have fun on Wicked Twister, since Impulse coasters are hella fun.  So it doesn't have the capacity of Magnum or MF...So friggen what?  MF's capacity isn't as high as Gemini's (or at least I don't think it is), did anyone whine then?  No, because it was an Intamin Giga-coaster and it made you salivate.  I'd also like to issue a challenge to those who are upset over Twister....DON'T RIDE IT.  We'll see how many people are still upset when they're walking down the exit ramp....

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i am a loyal sfmm fan . but  i got to say cedar point decision to build ultra twister was very smart. not only are they gettin a super intence great ride but they are getting a lunched wich is one of th only major types of coasters they are missing plus an improved version of  the closests comititions major ride . great jop cp

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She's still my hero. 

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Spacecase8310 said:
Seems like there are people just trying to think of an intelligent way to whine because they didn't get what they wanted (Koaster King), and then there are the people that are just happy to have another coaster at their favorite park.

Oh, how I hate when people can't understand my posts because they are so intelligent. I'll put it in very short, but sweet simple terms this time. What would have been the best business decision IMHO for CP in 2002? 2 Intamin Impulses!! Oh, and a different name. Sorry, you get confused when you see all these words in front of your face.
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Koaster King said:

 
What would have been the best business decision IMHO for CP in 2002? 2 Intamin Impulses!! Oh, and a different name.


 

Well, I like impulses. But the best decision I thought was that wonderful "Flat Ride" your precious, incomparable park is getting, Koaster King. Everyone so eager to ride that one <rollin eyes>


I think this is a good addition.  I mean, cedar point was probably going to add a shuttle type coaster eventually...if this one isn't the best then name one shuttle coaster that could beat it.  I sure can't think of any.
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