Why is Coasterbuzz advertising Porn?
So you're a thief too? There's reason enough for you not to use the computer. And good for your mom for actually watching her child online. We need more moms to do that.
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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com - Sillynonsense.com
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I always click on the ads if their good or I just do for fun to see what they want.LOL
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Hey Jeff. I'm not going to get into it with you about being a "thief" because some people choose to block pop-ups. But you should know that all of the next revs of the major browsers will have pop-up blockers built right in. Opera started it and MS and Netscape are both following suit.
There has got to be a better way. I don't know what it is. Perhaps for now you should ask your site users to allow pop-ups when visiting your site. In all of the major pop-up stopper software programs you can easily tell it to accept pop-ups from any given site.
I for one will gladly give you the clicks. Reading the threads for the last few months leading up to Top Thrill Dragster have provided me with a lot of information and entertainment.
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How am I a theif? It's not like I even look at the pop-ups anyway let alone click one. Whether I have the pop-up blocker on or not is really not going to help or hurt coasterbuzz. If it is, tell me how. I'm not stealing anything. I'm 17 years old and my mom "leagally" bought this mechanism. Other than that, I don't know how it works or anything. All I know is that sometimes pop-ups (on some sites) can clutter our rather old computer. I was not in anyway talking about coasterbuzz. Pop-ups were never a "problem." on CBuzz. I just don't feel it to be necessary to turn it off before I visit this site.
I don't think I've said anything offensive and don't consider myself a theif. If you feel differently then express your opinion in a more mature manner.
Also, Playa'. Thank you for telling me you are a Coasterbuzz member. That is maybe the 50th time you have said it. If membership on this site was required I would probably become a member. I just check on a daily basis for the latest coaster news. I don't attend coastercon (whatever those things are called) so a membership is not on my priority list. Please people, I'm not trying to piss anyone off so if there's a problem, let me know without writing in jibberish (Playa', it doesn't make sense and because of that, it doesn't accomplish anything).
Thank You.
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*** This post was edited by rentzy387 on 1/9/2003. ***
Here's the thing you need to warm up to... nothing, and I do mean nothing, is free on the Internet. Somebody, somewhere, has to pay for it.
This site is paid for by advertising and the club. If you don't pay for it in one of those two ways, you're a freeloader and a thief. Everyone else is paying for it. I'll be blunt... if you don't want to pay for it in one of those ways, don't visit the site. I don't want you here. As far as I'm concerned, it's an unspoken word that if you're going to consume something that I provide, something you know that wouldn't exist without some kind of financial backing, you'll compensate me for it by viewing the ads. If you don't, it'll go away and you'll never see it again. And don't give me that nonsense about how you don't care, because obviously someone who has made more than 300 posts in less than a year does.
Like I said... get used to the idea the nothing out there is free, because all of the good content will go away if someone doesn't pay for it.
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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com - Sillynonsense.com
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Guess who I am: No no no I am not a theif I have the leagal rite to poast mie idears form mye raggedy PC cuz I can't freakin read the fact that this syte draws incum from popp-up ads lyke innie uther syte out dere. cents mie fuzzy screen don't displae English gud I don't keer.
-You
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Jeff, I am kinda wondering about the legality of some browsers and ISP's providing pop up blockers.
I would think some kind of legal issue has to come up with this stuff somewhere.
Is it not essentially stealing bandwith? Which in and of itself is illegal, correct?
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*** This post was edited by MagnumForce on 1/9/2003. ***
There is no cut and dry case law covering the issue. The thing the courts have struggled with in the past is that it's hard to figure out where "content" ends and "software" starts, because they're treated differently in the context of what you can do with them on your computer.
However, it has been said that tampering with the content delivered to your computer could be illegal under the ridiculous DMCA because you've altered copyrighted work without permission from the author. I think that might be pushing it, but we'll have to wait for some clever lawyer to try it out.
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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com - Sillynonsense.com
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I never said I didn't care.
I know nothing's free. I pay a cost on a monthly basis to have the internet so don't go there.
Also, I asked you a question and you didn't answer it. I asked if it even mattered if I had the pop-up stopper. I don't click on the ads anyway. Wouldn't blocking them all together be the same thing? If having them pop-up on my screen helps then you need to tell me. I would take it off if need be.
About becoming a memeber, people need to give it a rest. I don't choose to become a member because, as I said earlier, it wouldn't really make much of difference to me. If membership was ever required, I would probably become one. Until then, it's a CHOICE to become a member so let's leave it at that.
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Jeff didn't answer your question because he had already answered it: Most of the pop-ups are CPM (Cost per thousand), which means he gets paid just for having them appear. I'm assuming that if they're not appearing on your computer, then he's not getting paid. Is it legally stealing? Maybe, maybe not. Is it, in fact, stealing? Yes.
'Playa: While I usually appreciate your wit and sarcasm, could you just for a moment examain what you're saying? Your post was almost entirely devoid of actual content, and I can't imagine it having any effect on rentzy other than to make him dislike you. Has it occured to you that the best way to make something "obvious" to another person might just be to state it in clear, direct terms, without humiliation?
Okay thank you (SF) Great America.
I didn't understand that.
I do like coasterbuzz and I apologize to Jeff if I came off like I did not. I will remove the pop-up protector will I visit Coasterbuzz.
This is the first time I've ever heard of this mechanism being a problem. IMO (and please be aware that this is just my opinion and from what I've heard), it's ok. I'm sure if it becomes a problem in any way it wont be legal for too much longer.
Thank you once again.
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(SF)Great American said:Jeff didn't answer your question because he had already answered it:
'Playa: While I usually appreciate your wit and sarcasm, could you just for a moment examain what you're saying?
Uhhhh--like you yourself said, Jeff already explained why it was stealing. You really should find rentzy's response beyond thoughtless or ungrateful. It was flat-out worthy of contempt.
And if you're gonna call anything I post 'gibberish', ya better know how to get through a sentence of fifth-grade English. Frankly, the similar malaprops in your posts and rentzy's are just a little striking. Same English teacher, maybe?
-'Playa
*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 1/11/2003. ***
Oddly I can see the argument on both sides of this and I don't think Jeff is wrong for being against the popup killers nor do I necessarily think those who use them are "wrong". Just wanted to throw my 2 cents into the mix:
I am kinda wondering about the legality of some browsers and ISP's providing pop up blockers
If popup blockers ever become illegal then what about the many electronic devices for your home (VCR's, TIVO, etc.) that let you skip commercials altogether? Or to take it to the extreme would it be illegal to get up and walk away from my TV during paid advertising (commercials)? I think it was stated earlier in this thread (perhaps the other one the same subject), that the problem lies in the way the advertisers think. No one cares if I walk away from my TV or fast forward or skip commercials totally when watching recorded shows - yet these companies send a ridiculous amount of money to have their commercials seen. Not really sure what the bottom line here is but it's worked on TV for decades with no guarantee that anyone has to see the ad, so why can't a similar mentality work on the net?
I know nothing's free. I pay a cost on a monthly basis to have the internet so don't go there
Yeah, and we all pay for cable or satellite service too and we still get advertisements. Heck my digital cable guide that pops up to display info or whenever I switch stations has ads on it. I pay the cable company to feed ads into my home and on top of that to provide entertainment from third parties (the networks) that also interrupts my enjoyment of something I've already paid to see, with even more advertisements. My car has a sticker with the dealer's name who I bought it from on the back, that was put there long before I saw the car and without me asking for it - I paid 20 grand for a car and they slapped an ad on the back of it. The list goes on...
I don't know, I honestly see Jeff's side of it - and I've often wondered how long this can stay free to the masses. On that same note, I'm not a member of the CBC and have no intentions of signing on anytime soon, but if this site changed to a "pay to see" structure and free access was eliminated - I'd fork over the $20 as quick as I could find my credit card. The flip side is that I think everyone should have the right to choose what they want to see. If I'm annoyed by popups and use software to stop it, then that's my right the same as it is to turn the station on a commercial until the show comes back on. With popups, it works kind of like the honor system - "I'm offering this for free, pay what you feel it's worth". Some people say zero, some are ok with popups, some join the club. The only way to stop the "theft" is to lose the "honor system" and make people pay.
If it were my site, I'd almost consider doing it TV style - make a yearly fee for access and still feed the ads :)
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Two quick things:
1) When I began using www.coasterbuzz.com, I still wasn't getting many of the pop-up ads until I stalked and destroyed Gator--the most invasive and intrusive source of pop-up ads anywhere. They're about 40 times more abundant and annoying than anything you'll get here. GAIN may even block access to certain web pages you request (like homedepot.com) while popping up ads for their competitors. You have to deinstall it, rip out any of their other little toehold apps (like GMT.EXE) and yank GAIN from your startup directory. I still use some apps supported by Gator, so I left them intact on CBaby's machine and deleted them from mine. Your mileage may vary.
2) As I've often said myself, being a member is hardly a status symbol...I mentioned it only to say that I am accepting ads even though I don't have to.
-'Playa
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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 1/11/2003. ***
Yeah, I use a popup blocker, so kill me. Like I said, if I wasn't my mom wouldn't be very happy with me, or this site, and knowing her, she would spread the word to anyone that she could and tell them not to go to the site.
I also refuse to pay for the club, for the simple fact that it does me no good. I can still see the same exact things as the members, so there's no big deal.
Call me a stealer, but you're also calling probably 75% of the people here 'stealers'. Even though some people say they don't use ad blockers, most of them probably do. Some of the people who don't admit it use ad blockers, like SFNE Freak.
I am in no way against pornography, but if I was ever caught with that ad on my screen at my home, I would be banned from my computer. In fact, I'm lucky i didn't get banned from the school computers for that one ad. And if I did, whose fault would it be? Yours Jeff, it would be your fault for allowing these somewhat vulgar ads to be placed on your site. What happnes if a 9 year old logs onto your site and sees a semi-naked woman there on his screen? I'm sure you would get some nasty letters from the mother, no doubt.
Ban me, do whatever you want, but it would just be once again admitting that you don't listen to the problems at hand, and just dismiss the people who ask questions.
pops ups are just stupid. u alreadly have banners everywhere. i mean pop-ups are just something to bug people with.
Some people never cease to amaze me.
We lost World of Coasters and Thrillride, both two premier websites, and the reason probably wasn't only money, but because of webmaster burnout. It happens a lot. I personally quit my job at web designing not because of the money, but because truly couldn't stand it any more.
Jeff spends too much money on this website only to have ungrateful snots choke off what little revenue is left with the use of popup stoppers. Read his personal site every now and then. It is obvious that he is taking a huge loss and I don't believe the Coasterbuzz Club even begins to cover with overhead in the events factored in.
As mentioned in the other thread, there is a $700 loss every month on with this website. That is $8400 per year.
If Jeff were to turn Coasterbuzz to pay only, I personally would understand. I kind of like the Adpoints concept on GTTP myself.
If he is in fact advertising gambling and porn here I say more power to him, this is his site and ends need to meet.
And if infact this site advertises porn, goes to pay only, or closes, no non club members have a right to complain. This is the same webmaster who payed the said $700 per month when he was unemployed.
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