What's going to Sandusky for 2002?
SmartAce:
I agree with what Intamin2k, lay off him.
Also, no-one should say anything for sure since no-one can provide proof as to whether they do have contracts or don't have contracts, I have yet to see any evidence for either side, so no-one is right, yet.
One more thing, Cedar Fair puts in attractions based on that parks income so if there was a such thing as a B&M contract it would just go to the park that could afford it at that time.
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"Villain-Once You Drop, The Fun Don't Stop!"~SFWoA Rules In 2001~X Marks The Spot In 2001(SFWoA)~With SFWoA ANYTHING Is Possible!
I agree with what Intamin2k, lay off him.
Also, no-one should say anything for sure since no-one can provide proof as to whether they do have contracts or don't have contracts, I have yet to see any evidence for either side, so no-one is right, yet.
One more thing, Cedar Fair puts in attractions based on that parks income so if there was a such thing as a B&M contract it would just go to the park that could afford it at that time.
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"Villain-Once You Drop, The Fun Don't Stop!"~SFWoA Rules In 2001~X Marks The Spot In 2001(SFWoA)~With SFWoA ANYTHING Is Possible!
GCI/CCI all the way.
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There are currently 11 coasters with the name Batman, 8 with the name Superman and 22 with the name Boomerang. Batman and Superman: The Ultimate Chiller Knight Flight Krypton Escape Ride.
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There are currently 11 coasters with the name Batman, 8 with the name Superman and 22 with the name Boomerang. Batman and Superman: The Ultimate Chiller Knight Flight Krypton Escape Ride.
I Would Personally RATHER See The TA2K, But I Am Going To Bet The House That It Will Be A CCI Woodie.
Mikey :)
There Is Currently 1 Coaster Will The Name MILLENNIUM FORCE, And It Is The TALLEST, FASTEST, STEEPEST ROLLER COASTER IN THE COUNTRY!
Mikey :)
There Is Currently 1 Coaster Will The Name MILLENNIUM FORCE, And It Is The TALLEST, FASTEST, STEEPEST ROLLER COASTER IN THE COUNTRY!
If you guys don't believe me about the contracts fine. I don't really care. But if this isn't so then why do park chain get coasters made by the same company. For one cp got raptor, mantis, and dorny then got talon. Look at what the six flags chain does and also paramount. If is cheaper and less troublesome for large chains to go ahead and do multiple contracts. That is why when one park in the chain get a coaster made by a company within a few years they all get some. Also , sorry about the miss spelling. I just forgot that here at coasterbuzz you CAN'T MAKE MISTAKES. Thanks for all of those that stood up for me.
JORDON DUNHAM said:
"If you guys don't believe me about the contracts fine. .... But if this isn't so then why do park chain get coasters made by the same company. For one cp got raptor, mantis, and dorny then got talon.."
I keep on buying Jiffy Peanut butter, and recently my brother bought some Jiffy. Do we have a contract with Jiffy? No, we like the product. Cedar Fair has bought a few B&Ms. They like the products B&M delivers, and have purchased a few coasters from them, giving some repeat business. In 1992(ish) when CF started planning Raptor do you think they said, "Hey we might want one for another park if this goes over well. Let's sign a contract committing ourselves even though we don't know what market conditions will be years from now" Think about it.
An Arrow contract would be even MORE ludicrous. It's been 12 years since they've installed an Arrow coaster!
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- Peabody
Maybe so peabody but when was the last time you paid 15 million dollars for a can of jiffy peanutbutter. They know what b+m does so they did a contract with them. If cf don't have a contract with B+m why did they go to them first to build MF, and why is it a year after that talon was built?
In response to your last question: Since when was it more than just a rumor that CP approached B&M first to build MF? I don't doubt that they asked B&M to consider building it, but again, that doesn't mean there was any kind of contract.
If you can provide proof of any kind other that "I heard" , or just speculation that a contract exists, I would really like to see it. You know, I heard that Magnum is sinking. Doesn't mean it's true!
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- Peabody
(Who thinks that that darn Lemon Chill guy is behind the contract BS)
If you can provide proof of any kind other that "I heard" , or just speculation that a contract exists, I would really like to see it. You know, I heard that Magnum is sinking. Doesn't mean it's true!
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- Peabody
(Who thinks that that darn Lemon Chill guy is behind the contract BS)
Well, It could be that CP went to ARROW, B/M, INTAMIN, MORGAN, and others and said...we want a huge 300 foot coaster with LOTS of speed, and INTAMIN'S was the best design and layout...and THAT'S why they won..not BECAUSE of a THREE-RIDE CONTRACT...
mikey :)
BACK to the topic at hand..I think It's a CCI :)
*** This post was edited by olympic10086 on 5/9/2001. ***
mikey :)
BACK to the topic at hand..I think It's a CCI :)
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Actually i think they went to B&M first but they rejected it, because theyre just getting into hypers, and they like thier sleek Two pole supports. The 2 pole deal would have taken up to much space, so they went with Intamin.
Peabody said:
"In response to your last question: Since when was it more than just a rumor that CP approached B&M first to build MF? I don't doubt that they asked B&M to consider building it, but again, that doesn't mean there was any kind of contract.
If you can provide proof of any kind other that "I heard" , or just speculation that a contract exists, I would really like to see it. You know,
I heard that Magnum is sinking. Doesn't mean it's true!
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- Peabody
(Who thinks that that darn Lemon Chill guy is behind the contract BS)"
leave the lemon chill guy out of it, I have better sources, the dip and dots chick. OK maybe they have a contract and maybe they don't. I think they do. Until you give proof they don't or I give proof they do then we will never know. I am just saying it is strange and cf lean toward beamers alot. There are a ton of other companys out there why don't they just go and use arrow or giovilani.
Also it is smarter for chains to get contracts for companys that are popular because they know there coaster will be built on time and they will have space open. B+m can only build so many coasters a year. Parks that want to build beamers in the future get contracts so they will get a beamer and not be told they aren't available to build rides.
Just my thoughts,
1. Jeff knows, or has an idea, cmon man spill the beans.
2. My "guess" is that CP wants a TA2K but doesn't like the current capacity, and they are watching PKD very closely or coming up with a different design.
3. CP has been a big arrow buyer so I would imagine they are looking at a 4D to see how it works.
What I think??
1. No coaster in 2002...A B&M "flyer" like Alton Towers is getting or an Arrow 4D in 2003
2.Hyper to MA
3.A talon clone to VF
4. A Ghostrider clone to WOF
5. Something where Windjammer is.
How big is Windjammer?
1. Jeff knows, or has an idea, cmon man spill the beans.
2. My "guess" is that CP wants a TA2K but doesn't like the current capacity, and they are watching PKD very closely or coming up with a different design.
3. CP has been a big arrow buyer so I would imagine they are looking at a 4D to see how it works.
What I think??
1. No coaster in 2002...A B&M "flyer" like Alton Towers is getting or an Arrow 4D in 2003
2.Hyper to MA
3.A talon clone to VF
4. A Ghostrider clone to WOF
5. Something where Windjammer is.
How big is Windjammer?
I would love to see a B&M flyer, but I have not heard whether the Tussaud's have exclusive rights to it for a while or not.
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- Peabody
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- Peabody
I doubt they have exclusive rights, but you never know....I'm with Peabody...there the choice is made we want a B&M flyer lol!
The reason I speak of exclusive rights is the Tussauds held exclusive rights to the Dive Machine for a few years. I hope they don't with the flyer. I want one in the US soon!
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- Peabody
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- Peabody
I 'll stick with a CCI/GCI. Cedar Point needs some real wood. (This post is not bashing and or saying that Blue Streak or Mean Streak suck in any way. I actually found BS very fun and MS, well MS).
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There are currently 11 coasters with the name Batman, 8 with the name Superman and 22 with the name Boomerang. Batman and Superman: The Ultimate Chiller Knight Flight Krypton Escape Ride.
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There are currently 11 coasters with the name Batman, 8 with the name Superman and 22 with the name Boomerang. Batman and Superman: The Ultimate Chiller Knight Flight Krypton Escape Ride.
Jordan Dunham said:
Hmm... if you look at Cedar Point, there are only two coasters OUT OF FOURTEEN that are made by B&M. That doesn't hold up too well to your contract theory, dude.
I am still strong against this "contract" because it is a) simply not true (common sense tells you this) and b) there is no proof.
Anyway, how many coaster companies ARE there??? You can practically count them on your hand(s)!! Intamin, B&M, Arrow Dynamics, Vekoma, CCI, Primere, and other lesser companies.
Now... out of those, what are the chances that a park with FOURTEEN coasters will have one made by the same company twice??
I don't think they're going to put one coaster for each company. If a ride is well recieved, the park may go back to them in the future and submit another idea to them. But they do not have a contract.
I do not know about the whole Millennium Force deal, but my speculation is that Cedar Point had an idea to come up with the tallest, fastest coaster in the world.
They SHOPPED their idea around various companies who could produce: Intamin, Arrow Dynamics, and B&M. The also probably did a little research and saw how well Superman: Ride of Steel worked at Six Flags Darien Lake (for Intamin's first modern attempt).
What they did was probably take the highest bidder for the ride, or took the best design that each company could come up with.
In the end, they saw that Intamin was a risk worth taking because of some of the elements they could add to make it stand out on its own. (ie: Arrow probably wouldn't be able to make the overbanked turns).
In the future, such as 2002... if they have an idea for a coaster, they will SHOP around... they do not have... let me say this again...
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE OBLIGATION to build a coaster from a specific company (B&M) because they have a contract.
They have a coaster built from that company because they feel that particular company was the best choice for the coaster in question.
Confused? You shouldn't be... it's simple.
It's just like buying a new car. You aren't going to go to the first Ford dealer you see and purchase a Mustang right off. You want to shop around. Try Pontiac. Try Chevy. Maybe the Firebird has more features. Maybe it's faster, but less comfortable.
If you choose to purchase the Mustang, I am pretty sure you didn't sign a contract saying that for the next 3 cars you buy... it HAS TO BE A FORD, AND ONLY A FORD!!!
Duh!
...I am just saying it is strange and cf lean toward beamers alot...
Hmm... if you look at Cedar Point, there are only two coasters OUT OF FOURTEEN that are made by B&M. That doesn't hold up too well to your contract theory, dude.
I am still strong against this "contract" because it is a) simply not true (common sense tells you this) and b) there is no proof.
Anyway, how many coaster companies ARE there??? You can practically count them on your hand(s)!! Intamin, B&M, Arrow Dynamics, Vekoma, CCI, Primere, and other lesser companies.
Now... out of those, what are the chances that a park with FOURTEEN coasters will have one made by the same company twice??
I don't think they're going to put one coaster for each company. If a ride is well recieved, the park may go back to them in the future and submit another idea to them. But they do not have a contract.
I do not know about the whole Millennium Force deal, but my speculation is that Cedar Point had an idea to come up with the tallest, fastest coaster in the world.
They SHOPPED their idea around various companies who could produce: Intamin, Arrow Dynamics, and B&M. The also probably did a little research and saw how well Superman: Ride of Steel worked at Six Flags Darien Lake (for Intamin's first modern attempt).
What they did was probably take the highest bidder for the ride, or took the best design that each company could come up with.
In the end, they saw that Intamin was a risk worth taking because of some of the elements they could add to make it stand out on its own. (ie: Arrow probably wouldn't be able to make the overbanked turns).
In the future, such as 2002... if they have an idea for a coaster, they will SHOP around... they do not have... let me say this again...
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE OBLIGATION to build a coaster from a specific company (B&M) because they have a contract.
They have a coaster built from that company because they feel that particular company was the best choice for the coaster in question.
Confused? You shouldn't be... it's simple.
It's just like buying a new car. You aren't going to go to the first Ford dealer you see and purchase a Mustang right off. You want to shop around. Try Pontiac. Try Chevy. Maybe the Firebird has more features. Maybe it's faster, but less comfortable.
If you choose to purchase the Mustang, I am pretty sure you didn't sign a contract saying that for the next 3 cars you buy... it HAS TO BE A FORD, AND ONLY A FORD!!!
Duh!
Closed topic.
