"Stealth 1021"

http://www.amusementpics.com/2005/SFGA%20Sept%206%202004%20096.jpg

http://www.amusementpics.com/2005/SFGA%20Sept%206%202004%20089.jpg

Geez, Do I have to do everything. There are the 2 out of line footers, There is now 3 poured and about 5 or 6 out of line markings further from the tower, Though those pics won't come in till next week. I'm talking about really out of line, That go outside of the supposed launch line and the pull out line as well as in the infield.

Not to mention a whole bunch of these sprinkled around the tower footers....

http://www.amusementpics.com/2005/SFGA%20Sept%2011%202004%20001%20copy.jpg

This construction doesn't look like TTD's. I do think there will be a bunny hill because we have angled supports and that overbank cap. *** Edited 9/14/2004 6:30:03 PM UTC by Big D***

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Jeff said:
Trust me when I say that Joe knows more than the rest of you.

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And Joe would never, ever think of misleading us in any way. Noooo... not Joe. ;)

it could be the switch track where they keep spare trains.

Well let's see, where do we start ...

Picture number one has no relation to the rest of the ride, so I have no idea what I'm looking at. Assuming that the foreground footer is in the front line and the one in the back is in the back line, that interior footer I would guess is for a transfer track. Solves that one ... unless you can show me better where that one's located

Picture two proves MY point as it shows nothing but a straight line of footers through a parking lot, unless I'm missing something.

Picture three I can't understand what you're referring to, unless it's the small concrete lump in the foreground which could be a mistake to be taken out later, or a support for a light structure to light up the tower as it's in perfect position to shine right up the tower leg.

So angled supports and a capped pipe mean bunny hils and overbanks huh? What about the "spider" support at the top of TTD? What about the arms that hold the twists in the track? What about the angled pieces near the top of the tower of TTD? What about the smaller, angled supports holding up the two curved ascent/descents? What about if your "overbank" support is just a stronger support for the rise/pullout which would probably be necessary if this thing is taller/faster than TTD.

Once again, yet to prove me wrong, yet to prove yourself right.

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Antuan said:
Not that I ever doubt Joe....that would be heresy But I do remember his prophecy that Nitro would only be 211'. Never forgot that!

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L O L! Damn, now that's a good memory, you even remembered the exact number!

But yeah, that was the number that was actually *on* the season pass mailer the park made. So at least there was a reason for my mistake. :)

Joe "and Nitro turned out to be my #1 yay!" C.

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Michael Darling said:
And Joe would never, ever think of misleading us in any way. Noooo... not Joe.

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What, you still don't believe it's a Gerstlauer spinning coaster?

Well, there's just nothing more I can do to prove it to you, you hardhead! ;)

JC

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Impulse-ive said:
Well let's see, where do we start ...

Picture number one has no relation to the rest of the ride, so I have no idea what I'm looking at. Assuming that the foreground footer is in the front line and the one in the back is in the back line, that interior footer I would guess is for a transfer track. Solves that one ... unless you can show me better where that one's located

Picture two proves MY point as it shows nothing but a straight line of footers through a parking lot, unless I'm missing something.

Picture three I can't understand what you're referring to, unless it's the small concrete lump in the foreground which could be a mistake to be taken out later, or a support for a light structure to light up the tower as it's in perfect position to shine right up the tower leg.

So angled supports and a capped pipe mean bunny hils and overbanks huh? What about the "spider" support at the top of TTD? What about the arms that hold the twists in the track? What about the angled pieces near the top of the tower of TTD? What about the smaller, angled supports holding up the two curved ascent/descents? What about if your "overbank" support is just a stronger support for the rise/pullout which would probably be necessary if this thing is taller/faster than TTD.

Once again, yet to prove me wrong, yet to prove yourself right.

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K well, I'm done with this one. Obviously you have no idea how this construction is going. So its kind of pointless trying to explain it. Its hard to see everything through the pictures. Just wait till the announcement or take a trip out to gadv and check out the site for yourself. Because this is like trying to explain a color to a blind person.

One thing that you keep repeating which sounds VERY stupid is, HOW in the wolrd can a support that has a cap at the top and a track connector be holding up track that is running horizontally. I DOUBT, They would make a tower thats all teal and put one black support. It would look pretty weird. *** Edited 9/14/2004 10:18:20 PM UTC by Big D***

Big D sez: Because this is like trying to explain a color to a blind person.

Wow...perhaps I'm reading that wrong but there's really no need to get so defensive *AND* rude. That is how your post read to me. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But so what if people don't belive you? Gives you more ammo to laugh at them when you're proven right ;)

I live in Los Angeles and have been to SFGAv twice since it's opened, so I'm unfamiliar with the park, where this is being built, and how the footers line up. I'm not sure where Brett lives, but I'd guess it's not near SFGAdv and he is as unfamiliar as I am. You can't expect us to look at close-up photos of footers and be able to imagine how they line up among the rest.

If you want to prove there's something more to this ride than L-TH-B before the official announcement you're going to have to do it with photos people can make sense of. Or, accept the fact that people won't believe you.

Dragster cost $25M and has a launch, top hat, and brakerun. It seems logical to me that a ride that is larger than Dragster and has additonal elements, such as an overbank, would cost much more. And considering the speed of the trains such elements would have to be quite large to keep forces down, especially in New Jersey where there are now laws dictating a ride's forces.

But then hardly anyone thought Hydra would have a prelift inversion, including me...and I'd seen plans given to me by the park!

You may be right. But until such is proven so there is no need to be rude to those who don't believe you.

Respectfully,

mOOSH

Joe-

Oh, you said a Gerstlauer spinning coaster. I thought you said a Mauer spinner.

My bad.

So I may just be talking for no reason, but isn't it pretty well accepted that this ride has an overall length of around 2400'? If it does, how can it do overbanked turns, have a Draster-like launch and height? Maybe it's just a mini-Dragster, but it doesn't make sense to have all these elements with such a short amount of track. And people are saying "Dragster runs so many extra spots for so many trains, cut out the double loading and pre-launch tracks and there you go." Yea, that would maybe be 150-200' at max, and hell if it is going to be taller, it'd need more length to accelerate and brake. Too many things don't add up. It seems to just be Dragster Jr. maybe 300-350ft, just an obeservers' guess. And doesn't anyone else find it really tacky that SF builds their rides on parking lots? geesh.

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Jeff said:
Trust me when I say that Joe knows more than the rest of you.

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Well, almost everybody;).

The two out of line footers are for the hydraulic room. If you go to rcdb, there are some shots from the tower looking down that show were that room is. Keeping in mind that this ride will go in reverse direction, those footers seem to be in the right place.

I have not seen a good shot showing where the 3rd footer is, but they are not that big. Keep in mind that with the number of launch track pieces they have on site, we are dealing with a coaster that is going over 100. Unless you start seeing footers closer to the size of the tower footers, they are not for new elements. There were plenty of infield footer pics when TTD was going up and some pics made them look big, but they were nowhere near big enough for a second element and they all were for random stuff.

edit: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1896.htm?Picture=55

There is the hydraulic building. It will be on the other side on Superman: Maxxx Stealth *** Edited 9/15/2004 3:02:11 AM UTC by RavenTTD***

You have no Idea how it goes either! When did you see the plans? Huh? Stop while you're ahead, you may not end up looking like so much of an @$$ here.

Stop argueing about a coaster that you know nothing about. There are plenty of people on this board(and in this thread) that know way more about the coaster than you do. Even if you are right, you're beeing an ass throwing your tantrums every time you post.

What is your deal dude with quoting entire posts? Knock it off, you're just trying to make yourself seem more important with long posts ...

But that being said; I told you where your "overbank" support can be - look at the supports on the rise to vertical on TTD. Different colors, angled at the top. If this thing was faster and wanted to hold better, you could cap it and have the "angle" come off the side of the main column, making it look like an overbank support.

Ever thought that the hydraulic motor might have connections to sit on footers just like coaster supports?

And no, I don't know what it looks like, I live in Pittsburgh, so going to GAdv to "check it out" isn't really feasible. But, I was at GAdv about a month ago and saw the two lines of footers and three mega footers for the tower. Those I believe are in there. The rest of your "overbank" and "bunny hill" supports are most likely for support for the coaster. Look around TTD - supports needed for the station, the ramps to the station, the hydraulic room, the computer room, the lighting package for the ride, transfer tracks, all kinds of non-coaster things.
*** Edited 9/15/2004 12:28:01 PM UTC by Impulse-ive***

http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure/index.asp

"Exciting 2005 news coming soon!"

I think the announcement is coming VERY soon, If not tomorrow. SF just gave us a heads up, So the sept 16th rumor could be true.

CP also told us "later this season" and TTD was dropped in January. =P

^Remember, the announcement was originally planned for August, right around when track and supports started to arrive. They decided to delay it 5 months so they could build up the suspense and keep everyone guessing.

I'd have to go along with the "Dragster Jr." thoughts. About 300' sounds right to me, and that would require about a 90mph - 100mph launch.

If some of the supports are bigger, that just means that the tower will have fewer supports than Dragster, and will be designed somewhat differently.

With Six Flags current financial situation, I don't see them putting in a ride as expensive as Dragster. As it is, I fully expect that a Six Flags operated Rocket Coaster will make Dragster look as reliable as a Toyota.

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Pete said:
I'd have to go along with the "Dragster Jr." thoughts. About 300' sounds right to me, and that would require about a 90mph - 100mph launch.

Wow, does anyone else realize the people doubting GADVs new coaster are the CP fanboys? Face it, this is the last year for record breaking rides on Dragster.

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My understanding was that the difference in price between a 300' and a 400' with the same number of trains is pretty neglibigle compared to the cost of the trains, the motor, the station and all the other stuff that doesn't scale.