S.O.B.
Flame alert: I'm an adult, and I capitalize the first letter of each sentence.
Moosh - grumpy tonight.
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Mamoosh said:
Flame alert: I'm an adult, and I capitalize the first letter of each sentance.
Moosh - grumpy tonight.
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Learn how to spell Sentence! :)Chuck, In a Fowl mood too :)
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Charles Nungester.
Is it about coasters or friends? I say both!
Dorney,
To be 100% honest, I did not find Mean Streak to be as bad as everyone claims it to be. It didn't bother me and I actually enjoyed it. :)
TeknoScorpion,
The first looping roller coaster, Flip flap Railway, did cause whip lash or break your neck. But soon after a loop was built that wasn't dangerous to riders.
SoB is what it is. Why can't you people leave it at that and respect other peoples opinions?
For the most part, however, I tend not to discuss my opinions of rides here because I think that's just boring, and really who cares what people think of a ride? That (usually) isn't going to change how you feel about it. If I'm asked what I think of a ride, though, I will give my opinion and I'll give a good reason. Usually, though, I'm drawn into the discussion for some other reason (in this case, a correction I felt needed to be made).
If you are really that interested, you can see the rides I *do* really like on my personal coaster page. You can also find many of my trip reports (full of opinions!) here. If you're really as interested as it seems you are, that is.
-Nate
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Thanks Nate, Will do.
I just don't get why people have to continually bash things and may have unfairly singled you out.
I never said SOB was a huge success even though it normally has as long of lines as papa. I also never said anyone had to like it. I just don't find it nearly as bad as some claim it is.
Chuck, who at one point in 2000 himself said he wasn't going to ride it again.
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Charles Nungester.
Is it about coasters or friends? I say both!
eric.walton said:
"I keep seeing people say the GP likes it. WHO CARES? They like it cause it's big, fast, and has a loop. Does that make it good. NO! These people have not generally been on the various coasters most of us have. Their opinions are limited to what they know. The Beast, Racer, and SOB are for the most part, what they know of wooden coasters."
Aaaaahhhh! I was waiting for the "Arrogant Enthusiast" to speak up, though I really didnt expect it to be eric.
What you said is a bunch of malarky. People ride Sonny because they like it period, point blank. They dont like it because of "limited experience". They like it because they like it. It is arrogance to believe that your (or our) opinions somehow carry more weight because you (we) are referred to as "enthusiasts". The "GP" as you all wish to came them can sniff out a "stinker" coaster just as easily as the rest of us. The reason that they dont say as many coasters "suck" as you (we) do is not some "defieciency" on their part, but rather I belive it is closer to finickiness on your (our) part. Look, I've been on damn near two hundred coasters and I *still* like Sonny. Why is it hard to belive that people can generally *like* the ride?
And Moosh, I have no doubt that Sonny will be in the bottom half of Mitch's poll. But while being the "best" polls out there, they too are still flawed as they are only answered by "enthusiasts". All the general trends of "enthusiasts" will magnified (e.g. airtime over laterals, traditional over corporate, hyper-style over loopers, etc.). It is NOT a good reflection of amusement park goers. It *IS* a good reflection of so-called "enthusiasts".
okaybuh-bye
lata, jeremy
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Im with Jeremy on this one, Even though Mitches poll is pretty accurate on putting the top coasters toward the top, Some rides get a beating just because they arn't anybodys favorite and some intentionally rank something dead last even though there are a bunch of coasters worse.
Heck, I even did it I think in a way cause my opinion of AM Eagle was that it just plain sucked. Wasn't the worst coaster in the world but heck it was braked worse than Herc or Mean Streak.
Some darn good coasters get ranked lower cause of G trains ect.
Everyone has their reasons and thats why I see the fact that the more people who vote, The more FAIR it is.
The poll is open to the public. However if you don't check coaster boards ect. You will never even know it is taking place.
Jeremy is right too, A coaster isn't good or bad cause enthusiast like it. It's how many people are in line. Trust me from somebody who gose to PKI about 15 times a year, SOB is popular and if you want my honest opinion of SOB, It's alot smoother than PAPA.
Chuck, who will agree there are some front seat of car problems and the lapbars may be uncomfortable or unrideable to some.
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Charles Nungester.
Is it about coasters or friends? I say both!
Well, then again, there IS a noticeable difference between "enthusiasts" and "GP" when it comes to opinions of rides. Take my last trip to SFMM....after getting rides on X, I was forced to *serve penance* for beating a friend out to ride it. My punishment was that I had to ride Psyclone. We waited through about 35-40 minutes of single-training so that I could fulfill this obligation. During ERT at the Con, there were times they wouldn't run the thing because not enough ACErs (17 to be exact) wanted to be beaten about by that particular DISASTER of a coaster....;)
The moral of the story....while the GP is *usually* gives a pretty fair assessment of a coaster, that is not *always* the case.
Cause they're who count. Not a bunch of whiney ass wimpy coaster enthusiasses.
I wish Kings Island would rip out that Ace plaque and throw it in the muddy Ohio river.
In my best Wayne's World voice......"They're not worthy!"
Chuck says:
"Some rides get a beating just because they arn't anybodys favorite..."
If a ride isn't "anybodys favorite" why shouldn't it get a beating? You like SOB, you rank it high. SOB was my single-worst wooden coaster experience when I rode it and until I ride another woody that is worse it will remain dead last [#75] on my ballot. I don't feel I'm unfairly ranking it low, I'm ranking it based on my experiences.
"...and some intentionally rank something dead last even though there are a bunch of coasters worse."
So basically what you're saying, Chuck, is that there is a conspiracy against certain coasters to make sure they end up near the bottom of Mitch's poll? Puleeze.
Mitch's poll is an OPINION poll, plain and simple. I am not a sheep and I don't intentionally rank a ride poorly because "everyone else does" or rank something high because "everyone loves it." If I was a sheep Timbers would be in my Top 5 instead of way down at #21, a few spot lower than Leap The Dips. Perhaps you're intentionally ranking SOB higher than it deserves simply because you're in the minority? I doubt you do that. You rank SOB based on your experiences, just like everyone else who participates in the poll.
I'm glad SOB brings you enjoyment. I'm glad SOB is liked by the GP. But I refuse to change my ranking because someone else said the coaster has improved and deserves to be ranked higher, or because "the GP likes it, so it must not be as bas as everyone says."
If/when I experience an impropved SOB for myself I will adjust its rank accordingly.
Moosh
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Jeremy, it sucks that you took my post the way you did. But oh well, it's the internet, and you can't tell my tone of voice, nor do you really know me. So I'll explain my position.
It is a fact that for the most part, most people at a park have only experienced that park. Most don't travel all over trying to go to new parks. Regardless, I did not say that their opinions were invalid, and they aren't. If you've only tried three bagels, and you pick your fav, does that mean it is the best bagel money can buy? Of course not. Does that even mean it's good? NOPE. Maybe that person doesn't really like the three different bagels he's had, but that is his favorite. The point is, people here opened it up and said that the GP likes it, so it must be great. I take issue with that. That's not saying anything. 70,000 people in the park, and of course the line is going to be long!
Does that mean these people don't have a right to think its good? Of course not. I just think, that with more experience of wooden coasters, a good majority of them *may* have a different opinion.This is the problem with arguing on the net. Tone of voice, actual attitude, emotion, etc. cannot be shown. So people take what you said, and apply what tone of voice and attitude they think you are displaying. I’m not arrogant! I despise people who are. If you still think I am, oh well. I guess that’s just too bad.
Eric
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A one that is not cold, is hardly a one at all.
Eric,
You toss the word good around like it's relative to everything. Everyone's opinion of good changes from day to day. If you haven't ridden every wooden coaster you don't know if somethings good or not... I know for a fact nobody's ridden all of the worlds wooden coasters. Therefore, nobody can claim a ride to be good or bad......it's just a matter of opinion. And if some one eventually rides all the wooden coasters in the world, it'll still be a matter of opinion.
This is why I try to stay away from saying a ride is good or bad....I say "I enjoyed SoB," or something along those lines.
I'm not saying anyone who doesn't rate MF within their top five is lying, just that I find it a bit odd to see anyone rate it dead last. That makes me think there's some sort of jealousy issue going on and they've probably never ridden it. The good news is that those few really can't throw off the polls too bad, because MF still does quite well each year. It's just upsetting that there are those who *do* try to screw with a usually accurate poll.
-Nate
Darth, I'm not sure what your issue is with the word "good." Oh well. That's a personal thing. ;)
Eric
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A one that is not cold, is hardly a one at all.
SOB_TOM said:
Now, if you will please excuse me, I have more intellegient things to talk about.
Tom
This one is too easy. *passes*
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Nate says:
"It's just upsetting that there are those who *do* try to screw with a usually accurate poll."
Assuming there are people who do that, do you think it only works one way? Just as there may be people who artificially rank a coaster low isn't it possible that there are some who artificially rank it high.
That's why its important that as many people submit ballots as possible. The more legit ballots the less an impact a tainted ballot will have.
Moosh
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