S.O.B.

My final note on this. This ride is a first of its kind. It was made to be something new. It isn't going to be perfect. Look at all the other "new" types of coaster that have come out, each with their share of problems and each with their greatness. I'm not going to try and convince anyone its a great ride or a bad ride. I'm just saying you gotta give it the credit it deserves for being something different and love it for being the ugly step-child that it has become.

Over time, who knows, maybe they will go and reprofile the whole thing and trim it and do the things every wooden mamoth of a ride gets done to it and it will be tamer and more enjoyable (or less depending on your stand point).

What exactly about SOB is "first of its kind?" The only thing on the ride that could be considered first is creating a steel loop for a woode, which (quite ironically) is the only decent part of the entire experience. It's the new loop that they did right, the rest of the ride (of which *nothing* is even remotely new technology) is absolute crap.

-Nate

I think when he says first of it's kind he is refering to it's size & speed. It is the tallest and fastest woodie you know, doesn't that constitute it being in the first of it's kind category.

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Yeah I meant by size and speed but also they had to design new trains just for that ride. Its a whole mix of things.

Son of Beast was first of its kind as it was the first wooden coaster over 200ft(and still remains that). And the only wooden to clock up to 80mph. Other noticable differences is the extra wide gauge on the track, the gigantic wheels (12 inches), the very specialized trains, and of course the loop.

I think the problem with SoB is, nothing! The people that don't like it, probably don't like many other wooden twisters. So go ride The Beast. I myself am a twister person and enjoy SoB to it's fullest.

Edit: Did I mention that it's the tallest free standing wooden structure?

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Don't worry Beastfreak I've got your back, and Darth good stats.

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There's nothing new about something being tall. Many other wooden coasters have been built to break height records, but none of them have been given any leeway because they were the tallest. SOB was built using *no* new technology. Larger wheels or a different track gauge is not new technology (nor is it a reason or excuse for the ride to run like crap). New trains hardly qualify as "first of a kind" either, since those Premier trains introduce absolutely *no* new technology. I'm willing to accept "growing pains" new rides may have because they were the first at something (first launched, first flyer, etc) but not in the case of SOB, where there was absolutely *no* new technology used except for the loop (and as I stated before, that's the only part of the ride that's decent!).

-Nate

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Not buying that argument, coasterdude318....sure it's not "revolutionary" in terms of technology, but it IS in terms of size....track gauge DID mean that no *existing* wooden trains could be used....and having a steel mfr. make your wooden-coaster trains is ALWAYS a bad bet...(see: Psyclone)....

....not that PKI hasn't done tremendous work improving Sonny...they HAVE.....as always, however, YMMV.....

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MMV, Gator...DY, T?

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MD, T.....;)

OU812?

Bad, I know...

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'I want to be a statistic. I want to be masochistic. I want to be a clone.' - Descendents 'Suburban Home'

If U ride SOB right it dont hurt,Dont slouch and pull tha bar down just right and tha ride is tha best.If U slouch in tha seat U can get pretty banged up,But if ya sit right it dont hurt
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PKIGLENN - the point we're trying to make is this: if the only way you can get a good ride out of SOB is to "Dont slouch and pull tha bar down just right" and avoid the wheel seets, how good a coaster can it be?

I can sit anywhere on Raven, Legend, Cornball, Boulderdash, and any other number of woodies and get an excellent ride.

Moosh

*** This post was edited by Mamoosh on 11/26/2002. ***

Okay, Gator...I'll agree that you could call it "revolutionary" because that particular guage hadn't been used before. But so what? Is that an excuse for the ride running so terribly? I still argue that making something bigger is *not* new technology, and simply changing wheel size or track gauge shouldn't affect anything ride-wise. In fact, I'm not sure we're disagreeing about anything at all.

How about rides like Alpengeist (tallest inverted coaster). Just because it was the first inverted coaster over 190' tall and the first to reach 67mph doesn't make it "first of its kind." It's *not* the first inverted coaster, and it's *not* the first B&M ride. Changing speed and height are no excuse for a ride having some problems.

-Nate


coasterdude318 said:
What exactly about SOB is "first of its kind?" The only thing on the ride that could be considered first is creating a steel loop for a woode, which (quite ironically) is the only decent part of the entire experience. It's the new loop that they did right, the rest of the ride (of which *nothing* is even remotely new technology) is absolute crap.

-Nate



Oh Geez Nate, The track is a full six inches wider than a standard woodie, The drop is a full 40ft taller than any other woodie, The coaster dose 79mph a full 15mph faster than any other woodie. The loop. Only loop ive been through at 62mph.

There are a ton of first. So if you don' t like the ride fine, I can see that. Everyone has different things they like and don't.

Chuck, who isn't counting that new intamin woodie cause it was built after.

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Its no excuse for metal, a material that can take that sort of beating. This is wood. Do you know how thick the track and supports are at the bottom of the first hill? The first year it was open they replaced that wood like crazy because of constant breaking. Its all comes down to the ever varrying factors that make a good piece of wood and the appropriate thickness so that they can make that area trouble free. Its not something you can so reliably count on time after time like steel.

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I also think SOB has the highest banking of any wood coaster at 78* in some of it's turns.

Chuck who thinks it was even more that that at the top of the second hill when it opened but those of us who rode it then, knew something was very wrong. BANG!

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Charles Nungester.
Is it about coasters or friends? I say both!

I rode SOB for the first time several weeks back and came off the ride all three times thinking it was something special. The first drop alone was just insane and ranks as my second favorite coaster drop out there (Millennium Force still ranks as the best). I LOVED the helix, but then I am a big fan of twister-type coasters. SOB is a bit slow in spots, but overall I enjoyed the ride immensely and ranked it as my #3 woodie. I didn't think the ride was any more brutal or rough than Mean Streak or Raging Wolf Bobs, both of which I have no problem with riding. Don't take what I say to heart though as this is coming from someone who passed on the Flyers on his visit to PKI, prefers Twister to Phoenix at Knoebels, and is starting to like places like Conneaut Lake Park more than Six Flags Worlds of Adventure.... so what do I know? :)

ray p.

This is the final word from SOB TOM:

Stay out of the line if you dont like it. Less of a line for me and when Im working the ride, less of a cleanup.

Tom (Wishing that people would actually start THINKING about safety and insurance on coasters and not themselves)

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111 SOB laps, and wishing the park was still open


Mamoosh said:

I can sit anywhere on any other number of woodies and get an excellent ride.


Too much information. ;)

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