My final note on this. This ride is a first of its kind. It was made to be something new. It isn't going to be perfect. Look at all the other "new" types of coaster that have come out, each with their share of problems and each with their greatness. I'm not going to try and convince anyone its a great ride or a bad ride. I'm just saying you gotta give it the credit it deserves for being something different and love it for being the ugly step-child that it has become.
Over time, who knows, maybe they will go and reprofile the whole thing and trim it and do the things every wooden mamoth of a ride gets done to it and it will be tamer and more enjoyable (or less depending on your stand point).
-Nate
I think when he says first of it's kind he is refering to it's size & speed. It is the tallest and fastest woodie you know, doesn't that constitute it being in the first of it's kind category.
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Yeah I meant by size and speed but also they had to design new trains just for that ride. Its a whole mix of things.
Son of Beast was first of its kind as it was the first wooden coaster over 200ft(and still remains that). And the only wooden to clock up to 80mph. Other noticable differences is the extra wide gauge on the track, the gigantic wheels (12 inches), the very specialized trains, and of course the loop.
I think the problem with SoB is, nothing! The people that don't like it, probably don't like many other wooden twisters. So go ride The Beast. I myself am a twister person and enjoy SoB to it's fullest.
Edit: Did I mention that it's the tallest free standing wooden structure?
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Don't worry Beastfreak I've got your back, and Darth good stats.
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-Nate
Not buying that argument, coasterdude318....sure it's not "revolutionary" in terms of technology, but it IS in terms of size....track gauge DID mean that no *existing* wooden trains could be used....and having a steel mfr. make your wooden-coaster trains is ALWAYS a bad bet...(see: Psyclone)....
....not that PKI hasn't done tremendous work improving Sonny...they HAVE.....as always, however, YMMV.....
OU812?
Bad, I know...
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PKIGLENN - the point we're trying to make is this: if the only way you can get a good ride out of SOB is to "Dont slouch and pull tha bar down just right" and avoid the wheel seets, how good a coaster can it be?
I can sit anywhere on Raven, Legend, Cornball, Boulderdash, and any other number of woodies and get an excellent ride.
Moosh
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How about rides like Alpengeist (tallest inverted coaster). Just because it was the first inverted coaster over 190' tall and the first to reach 67mph doesn't make it "first of its kind." It's *not* the first inverted coaster, and it's *not* the first B&M ride. Changing speed and height are no excuse for a ride having some problems.
-Nate
coasterdude318 said:
What exactly about SOB is "first of its kind?" The only thing on the ride that could be considered first is creating a steel loop for a woode, which (quite ironically) is the only decent part of the entire experience. It's the new loop that they did right, the rest of the ride (of which *nothing* is even remotely new technology) is absolute crap.-Nate
Oh Geez Nate, The track is a full six inches wider than a standard woodie, The drop is a full 40ft taller than any other woodie, The coaster dose 79mph a full 15mph faster than any other woodie. The loop. Only loop ive been through at 62mph.
There are a ton of first. So if you don' t like the ride fine, I can see that. Everyone has different things they like and don't.
Chuck, who isn't counting that new intamin woodie cause it was built after.
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I also think SOB has the highest banking of any wood coaster at 78* in some of it's turns.
Chuck who thinks it was even more that that at the top of the second hill when it opened but those of us who rode it then, knew something was very wrong. BANG!
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Is it about coasters or friends? I say both!
I rode SOB for the first time several weeks back and came off the ride all three times thinking it was something special. The first drop alone was just insane and ranks as my second favorite coaster drop out there (Millennium Force still ranks as the best). I LOVED the helix, but then I am a big fan of twister-type coasters. SOB is a bit slow in spots, but overall I enjoyed the ride immensely and ranked it as my #3 woodie. I didn't think the ride was any more brutal or rough than Mean Streak or Raging Wolf Bobs, both of which I have no problem with riding. Don't take what I say to heart though as this is coming from someone who passed on the Flyers on his visit to PKI, prefers Twister to Phoenix at Knoebels, and is starting to like places like Conneaut Lake Park more than Six Flags Worlds of Adventure.... so what do I know? :)
ray p.
This is the final word from SOB TOM:
Stay out of the line if you dont like it. Less of a line for me and when Im working the ride, less of a cleanup.
Tom (Wishing that people would actually start THINKING about safety and insurance on coasters and not themselves)
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