Powder Keg Announced

Well it doesn't matter either way, but there is track sticking out of the launch station. If they don't use it, then WHY did they put it there? It has nothing to do with the themeing.

I don't buy the idea of it being a rollback device either. If the train rolls back up the spike, something has to stop it eventually. Why couldn't "it" stop it before going up the spike?
Because, there will probably be no brakes in the launch track, the brakes will be in the station but it may have to go up the back track to go in the brakes.

-Cal


its in the woods.........

Mamoosh said:
Last year's IAAPA recap, Jeffrey.

Ah...it was in the "top up." I've looked at various renditions, and read all the discussion, but I still don't understand what this coaster does. It looks to me like it launches up into what used to be the final drop of Buzzsaw (going the other way). Is this correct? Someone mentioned that they would are utilizing the old lift hill, but I didn't see a lift hill in any of the drawings, plus that doesn't make sense for a launched coaster to also have a lift, especially one so short. However the SDC website says "Negative 0.2 G drown-drop from existing lift." What does that mean? Does anyone have more information?

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Jeffrey - apparently the layout has been changed since that drawing appeared in First Drop. However, in that drawing the lift appears near the end of the ride after a wide, sweeping turn.
From the horse's mouth...

"PowderKeg will start off with a thrilling family launch then will naviage three large negative 0.2 floater hills. Next comes an exciting Over-banked wave turn that runs into a Spiral turn. From the spiral turn you will experience negative 0.2 G drown-drop from existing lift. Then finally you will go into the Over-banked dragonfly turn adding visual appeal and an exciting element to the end of ride, followed by a final bunny hop into the brake run "

Mamoosh's avatar
Did the horse say anything about that spike of track sticking out from the launch area? ;)
ShiveringTim's avatar
So if the rear spike is truly an anti-rollback device, can Powder Keg be classified as a shuttle coaster (under the right circumstances, of course)? If it doesn't make it over the first hill, Powder Keg is a loopless shuttle loop :)

Scott - Proud Member of The Out-Of-Town Coaster Weirdos
I would think that what most of the people who post on this site consider a "thrilling" launch would be much different than what a 42" tall child does.
Mamoosh's avatar
53 MPH in three seconds is slightly less forceful than California Screaming and a Schwarzkopf flywheel-launched shuttle loop. Who, other than perhaps a few jaded enthusiasts, wouldn't consider that thrilling?

*** Edited 11/12/2004 4:24:55 PM UTC by Mamoosh***

It's probably more a question of semantics, but when I hear "family coaster," I think more of Trailblazer or the Hi-Speed Thrill Coaster. My point of reference for this is my 4 1/2 y/o goddaughter, who barely cleared the bar for the Comet at HP. So she's 42 point something inches, which would make her eligible to ride Powder Keg.

She wasn't upset by Comet, but I wouldn't say she was thrilled. And her parents decided against letting her ride Phoenix a few weeks later, although again she'd be "legal." Thrilling for her would be if she saw a Care Bear standing on the loading platform. I'm pretty sure that things like explosions, rollbacks, and backward launches like people were discussing in previous posts would be frightening to her. So might going from 0 to 53 in 3 seconds.

My original thinking was how wild could they make the ride if they'd let 4 and 5 year olds on it. Or conversely, could this really be considered a family coaster. What's thrilling to us could be downright scary to a youngster.

I guess it's just the difference in being able to physically ride a ride and being able to handle it emotionally.

You are bending that term family coaster more than I think the industry wants. What about the family of four with a 10 and 12 year old. A coaster of this caliber is perfect for that family. Just because it is labeled as a family coaster, doesn't make it a good coaster for any family, especialy a four year old.
For what it's worth, WildFire is a "family looping coaster". So really everything down here can be ridden by ANYONE in the family. :)

Matthew - you shut yo mouth. ;) *** Edited 11/12/2004 7:14:09 PM UTC by Swoosh***

How is it a "family looping coaster"? I wasn't aware that there were any inversions...
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Family only relates to the minimum height, not necessaraly intensity or elements. How many 42" kids want to ride a looping, launch coaster? How many parents? I always find the family lable funny, I've seen families ride Mission Space and Dragster together, and I've seen families split up on the smallest rides at Disney.
My neice and 3 nephews would all ride something like this, I'm sure. My neice wanted so bad to ride Hurricane Catagory 5, but was like an inch short on their last visit. It all depends on the person. My sister loves coasters, so does my brother. Their kids like to ride them as well.

My brother's 2 kids went with him to hersheypark a couple years ago, and both were just above the min. height req. Neither had never ridden coasters before, and rode everything in the park more than once.

Mamoosh's avatar
My nephew rode X when he was 5...so I guess X is a family coaster, too? IMHO the "family coaster" label has zero to do with height requirements and everything to do with the forces designed into the ride.

You are bending that term family coaster more than I think the industry wants.

But it's their website that says the minimum height requirement is 42" Ten and twelve year old kids are well above that-- and yes, that family would probably enjoy this coaster a lot.

So is the minimum height requirement based more on whether the body will physically fit into whatever restraint system is on a particular ride, and not necessarily the elements of that ride?

But as always happens, how many people will drag their 5 year old through the line because he or she is "tall enough" to ride? I'm just not sure that because a child meets the minimum ride height, that a ride is suitable for them. You'd hope the parents would have good judgement to figure that out. Maybe the industry should be aware just how much people bend their terms.

I'm not sure what I'm arguing really, but I just wanted to give an example:

Demon at SFGAm has a height restriction of 42". It loops four times. While operating that ride, there were more than enough families with children going on the ride and it was extremely rare (in fact I can't recall any instances) when a kid got scared and didn't want to ride. Hell, I took a *3* year old on it once!

Demon looks much more imposing with its four loops than Powder Keg does. I think the term family coaster is just fine for PK, personally.

JC


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Well considering that SDC is a "family" park, everything at the park is bound to be a "family" ride.

:)

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