Most coasters count controversy continues

Bring on more coasters

This title only helps our cause, Do you think SFMM would have built 3 coasters this year ( all of them awsome) if it were not for the title of most coasters. All I know is I got to ride 12 coasters a few months ago at SFMM and 12 coasters last year at CP and I can always use more to add to my track record. Yes, they all are not the greatest coasters in the world, but if you are a coaster fan you like varity and both parks have a great varity and great coasters and I am very happy to see more and more coasters, I just wish that PKI would join in on the competition and build more coasters.

 

I think PKI and Paramount in general usually spend money according to their audience and what they think will bring in the most visitors, and then go all out as big as possible within their budget. For example, PCW has always been extremely successful with making moderate sized additions, especially of the new age flat rides, while conserving money and gaining great attendance figures. I believe the Paramount parks may be a little less popular in enthusiast groups, because they usually a more family oriented than Six Flags, and usually don't get the more popular manufacturers like B&M and Intamin. Specifically the steel hypercoasters I should say.

PKI seems to like to try a little bit of everything, but have overall their best years with kids and family attractions, because this is a huge area for season pass holders and family activities. My guess is they'll just continue to do what they're good at from now on and the 2001 attendance was no surprise. They turned their most infamous coaster into one of the best steel loopers in the country. They created an instant hit with an award-winning kids area and continued their record-breaking history. I really don't think they'll be in the coaster race. I think they'll continue with more quality coasters, rides, and themes that will best match their audience. I wouldn't expect a major coaster for 2003 and if they got one, it looks like they will still be at 13(well, 14 if you count each Racer ;)). I think PKI knows that getting more coasters than CP won't gain them much more visitors than they already have which most are already solid holds each year. And as far as 2001 attendance goes, PKI is the competition. :)

Jeremy: BGW? Sorry dude, unless BGW comes to SCS, MI, well I'm SOL.

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I personally don't think Super man is a coaster compared to Wicked Twister. When you look and Superman at SFWoA or V2 yes those are coasters but on Superman at SFMM all you really do is go up a tower ata a fast speed.
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I personally don't consider Wicked Twister a coaster,it's a flat ride with two twisted spikes on each end.

Where's the freakin' hill????????????

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but on Superman at SFMM all you really do is go up a tower ata a fast speed

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And your point is? WT (and all other Impulses) go up a tower at a fast speed, then backwards up a tower at a fast speed. Then your going forward again, then backwards. Almost sounds like the motion of a swinging ship to me. Now, that does not mean im not calling it a flat ride. Its a coaster, no doubt about that. Just like Superman is a rollercoaster. I realy wonder what coaster Cedar Point will clame as 'fake' when MM has 17 and CP still has 15. Its absoutly absurd. but hey, its a marketing thing. So I cant blame them (CP)
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I'd say that's the *entire* point Mammosh. The whole Superman debate was built on semantics. You can twist logic around to come out with whatever conclusion your *heart* desires. Becuase the one truth that is evident is that ultimately this is a battle of wills, NOT an actual search for a collective truth. That's why most sites(including this one) will not allow even a hint of this topic.

This is in response to your question of whether CP would hold this same stance if they had built S:TE. :)
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"In addition, Ms. Witherow said Cedar Point does not consider one of Magic Mountain's 15 coasters to be a coaster at all."

As shown by this quote, a PR rep can state pretty much anything they please, but it does not make it true.

But personally, I just wish the parks could come to an agreement, realize they both have 15 coasters (more than any other park in the world), and both be able to advertise as having the record without creating controversy.

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Well here's something that Cedar Point can easily flaunt.  Cedar Point has had about 28 coasters in it's history. How many has Magic Mountain had?  20?  If you count every rollercoaster each park has built, then you have Cedar Point ahead by a mile.  Though,  the 100 year headstart helped greatly.;)

...and 50 years ago, Cedar Point was almost turned into a housing development... Lets just all be glad that we have these amusement parks willing to spend millions of dollars to make us happy. (well, maybe not the employees, but thats another story...)
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2000 - Cedar Downs crew, WildCat crew
2001 - Cedar Downs crew, WildCat crew, Magnum crew, Gemini crew
2002 - Wave Swinger/Swan Boats Team Leader

Gemini Dustin - are you sure you aren't taking a huge step down in moving to the Wave Swinger from the Magnum (even if you are going to be a team leader with likely a better pay scale)?  I'm sure I don't know what I'm talking about but is does seem less glamorous....

If you ask me, Cedar Point's construction of Wicked Twister is an unusual move for them.  Look at their list of new attractions over the last ten years or so:  1989 - Magnum. 1991 - Mean Streak.  1994 - Raptor.  1996 - Mantis.  2000 - MF.  Not to knock Wicked Twister, but it does seem a lot less grand in scope (this seems like something that would be added on an off-year or along with another big ride).  Are they adding it because they want to solidify their number of coasters to remain competitive with Magic Mountain?  Or are they looking for a more affordable coaster addition to Cedar Point than the $25M Millennium Force?  Or is it both?  (Coincidentally, in a conversation I had with Don Maier two years ago at the park, I inferred from him that Millennium Force didn't generate as high an increase in attendance that Cedar Fair execs were looking for.)  I know when I say "infer" it doesn't mean 100% accuracy, but he clearly hesitated with a shoulder shrug and a "aaah...." when I said "you must have seen a large increase in attendance this year with the addition of MF" or something like that. 

But anyways, you have to applaud the spirit of coaster fervor for which both parks have certainly proven over recent years.  (.....but I do think Cedar Point is a better park!)

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I really don't know what everyone is arguing about neither one of them will hold the record come ten twenty years from now.  PKI still has enough room to build two more whole theme parks if they wanted too.  If CP wants to compete with the size of PKI's land they will have to move the parking area onto the main land and start building on their parking lot.  I'm an Ohioan and I love coasters and amusement parks, but I really don't see the point of arguing just call it even until either CP or SFMM build another coaster.
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Let's all remember that there is something more important to CP execs than coaster count.  That is unitholder happiness.  In a year when the economy took a dive like the first hill of MF, I think it makes complete sense to dial it back some on capital projects.

If I am holding stock in Premier Parks and units in Cedar Fair, I think I will stick with my Cedar Fair units.  I feel like they are looking our for my interests.

I dont care about who has the most coasters. Ceadr Point is still the absolute best park in da world. Does magic mountain have Millenium Force? No they do not. Do they have Wickid Twister? No they do not. Cedar Point has the best thrill rides in da world and that is why they call it "The Rollercoaster Capital Of The World"
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I agree w/ what Cedar Point is saying. Superman: The Escape is not tchnically a coaster. But yet Cedar Point's newest ride, twister, is not technically a coaster either. I would say cedar point has the better rides and more creative and original rides because most of magic Mountain's rides are either in other Six Flags parks too. Cedar Point also has a lot more big competition in the area. Parks like Six Flags: Worlds of Adventure has coasters like Batman: Knight Flight and X-Flight and has a lot more land than Cedar Point since they bought the Sea World outside of Cleveland. Also near Cedar Point is Kennywood with the Steel Phantom and Thunderbolt and also Paramount Kings Island with Son of the beast, Beast, and Volcano (which used to be battling Cedar Point for most Coasters). Most of the pars near Magic Mountain that would compete w/ them are also six flags meaning less compettion. i would tend to side with Cedar Point on this one.