Most coasters count controversy continues

Posted Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:28 AM | Contributed by Jeff

Magic Mountain stakes its claim on having the most coasters in the world why Cedar Point says, "Not so fast." While both parks will claim 15 coasters for the 2002 season, Cedar Point questions whether or not Superman: The Escape is actually a coaster.

Read more from the Toledo Blade.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:45 AM
I don't necessarily agree with what Magic Mountain is saying, but here's what I found at www.guinnessworldrecords.com:

 

They consider Drop Zone at Paramount's Kings Island "the tallest freefalling rollercoaster ride."  If apparently any attraction can be considered a rollercoaster ride if it is attached to a "track" then I'll have to agree that S:UE is indeed a rollercoaster, but that's not what I agree with.  Cedar Point still has the record!

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:55 AM
Can we just close this news thread NOW, please?  All I see coming from this is a bunch of CP and SFMM bashing about an old, tired debate.  Who frickin cares?
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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:58 AM
Whatever.  Magic Mountain has the record, Cedar Point's just being a baby.  Intamin calls S:TE a coaster, so it's a coaster.  I don't see how Cedar Point can say it's not a coaster, especially after adding WT.  WT is the same thing, only with another spike and a little twist.  Stupid argument.  SFMM has the record, and I hope they build three coasters next year to actually offically clench it. Blah, blah, blah, it gets old after a while. Stupid record.
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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:00 AM
what happened to CP and MM not being in competition with each other?  personally, I don't give a....  it doesn't matter how many coasters you have, it matters how good they are.  if all you needed was a coaster count, then IOA wouldn't be above CP on TLC's shows and in many people's hearts, the Busch parks would be out of business, and there would be no such thing as a "small" park.

but if you want to argue coasters, argue it from the point of view of the designer.  if STE was meant to be a roller coaster, it is.  if it was meant to be a thrill ride, its a thrill ride.  B&M consider their inclined loops to be inversions on some coasters and not others.  further than that, Intamin doesn't consider their overbanked turns to be inversions even though its basically the same as B&M's inclined loops.  B&M only intend certain inclined loops to be inversions, so only those inclined loops are inversions.  Intamin considers its overbanked turns to be special turns, not inversions, so they are turns.

edit: CP needs to get over theirselves and MM needs to grow up.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:03 AM
Dude who cares. I don't care who has the most coaster. If I did I wouldn't be going to Knotts Berry Farm as much as I do.
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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:08 AM
The thing that really amazes me is that MM and CP actually bother to fight over something like this.  I know it's about publicity, but can't we all just get along?
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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:15 AM
The fact is that if both of the parks keep this little tiff going, they both get publicity.  Its a good deal for both. 
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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:40 AM
i think that is S:TE doesnt count as a coaster than wicked twister shouldn't either
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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:54 AM
I don't know why... of all palces... Cedar Point would contest to Superman: The Escape is a coaster or not. I mean, their real reason is perhaps to just claim the fame to "most coasters in the world", but everyone should know it's a real coaster.

Why?
a) It rides on a track.
b) It has a train... sorta... that people board like a normal coaster, and restraints like a normal coaster.
c) Wickid Twister is just a 2nd generation Intamin launched coaster... Superman: The Escape is a 1st generation Intamin launched coaster... so they are built by the same company, and essentially the same ride!
d) Intamin is mainly a rollercoaster builder, and this pretty much qualifies for a coaster!!

It's just funny in a way.

I mean, I love Cedar Point and I am totally biased towards that park... however, this is just silly. Superman: The Escape is a honest-to-goodness coaster... same with Wickid Twister!!!

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:15 AM
I agree with Mamoosh: who cares?

bASS - loves both parks

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:17 AM
It is good for both parks. It's good publicity.

I tend to think that Cedar Point needs to settle for the tie. 15 a piece, that's life. I mean, if you add a reverse tower to Superman, you've pretty much got an Impulse.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:24 AM
Nobody seams to think the Demon Drop style freefalls are coasters (which both parks have), but it's the same thing as STE, only shorter and it has a lift instead of a launch. And Power Tower style freefalls are just a completly verticle coasters.

I think somebody has to come up with an "official" definition of a coaster.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:28 AM
at least cedar point will have 15 SOLID coasters. meaning there isn't one that people debate whether it is one or not. so cedar point gets the nod, plus the best both can get is a tie. no one has 16 yet.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:35 AM
Anybody watch the pairs figure skating last night? ;)
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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:38 AM
Yawn.  This "war" is like my underwear; old and boring.  As big a CP fan as I am, I think they are making a Mountain out of a molehill (bad pun intended).  If they were really that worried about it then they should have thrown up a Mad Mouse or kiddie coaster along with WT.

While other parks have been more ambitious about their expansion, CP has been more traditional and there is nothing wrong with that.  Can we settle on CP being the Resort with the most coasters and MM being the Park with the most coasters?  Probably not.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:54 AM
A wild mouse on the beach next to Wicked Twister would have done the trick  ;)

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:54 AM
I love that this is a "controversy" in the coaster world.  It reminds me of the Hercules vs. Texas Giant controversy a decade ago.

To their credit, at least Cedar Point and Magic Mountain are vying for an official record, even if CP's logic is ridiculous.  It's better than SFMW claiming Medusa as a flying coaster in order to compete with Stealth at PGA.  Or SFGAm claiming Raging Bull as the world's first hyper-twister, when Fujiyama actually preceded it.  It's all PR-generated publicity geared towards the GP.  I frankly think it's pretty fun when we enthusiasts can shoot holes in their claims.

Plus, I always find it fun (pointless, yes, but fun) to ponder what constitues a roller coaster.  At what point should a double-tracked roller coaster be considered two separate rides?  Dueling Dragons - yes.  But what about Gemini or the American Eagle?  Like I said, pointless to ponder, but fun.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:00 AM

Whatever. Magic Mountain has the record, Cedar Point's just being a baby.

I agree with you there...though SFMM will hold it for all of 4 months.

Then again, CP could have settled this with a CCI family woodie (ala Beastie, Zach's Zoomer) in Frontier Town--both maintaining a solo record and filling a huge gap in their coaster lineup.


SFMM has the record, and I hope they build three coasters next year to actually offically clench it.

Hmmm....Six Flags stock values have tanked from a year or so ago and the stockholders are tiring of their EBITDA mumbo-jumbo.  And while CF keeps buying back their stock, Six Flag's senior officers keep selling theirs--even at the lower prices.

Short of the old Vekoma Boomerang and SLC combos, don't hold your breath waiting for multiple coaster installations or staggering 'superpark' transformations. With the possible exception of La Ronde, it just ain't gonna happen.  Those days are over.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:29 AM
This is stupid. CP and MM have the same no matter what. MM has Superman: The Escape and CP has (or will) Wicked Twister. Both are not continous circuit, even though Wicked Twister is more up-to-date. Personally, I favor CP over MM because they have the best.
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