Most coasters count controversy continues

Ok, let me see if I get this right. '-vs-' threads are not aloud in the forums. If something like this was posted in the forums, it would have been closed. Yet, it can be posted as a news item. Jeff, is this some sort of loophole that you just created? ;) *** This post was edited by sfmmman2001 on 2/12/2002. ***

Mantis@ CP2002 said:

They consider Drop Zone at Paramount's Kings Island "the tallest freefalling rollercoaster ride."  If apparently any attraction can be considered a rollercoaster ride if it is attached to a "track" then I'll have to agree that S:UE is indeed a rollercoaster, but that's not what I agree with.  Cedar Point still has the record!
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I have never heard Drop Zone at Pki called a rollercoaster, it is considered the tallest gyrodrop in the region.

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Flight of Fear/Wave Swinger crew 2001-2002 *** This post was edited by FoF on 2/12/2002. ***

Cedar Point Saiys thier Demon Drop is not a coaster...and Magic Montain does not proclaim thier Free Fall to be a coaster either..Superman is a Coaster..Period!! And let them fight for the record...We the Coaster Enthusiasts are the winners either way..Both Parks Are Great!
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It may be the "tallest gyrodrop in the region", but officially, Guiness Book of World Records considers it "the tallest freefalling rollercoaster ride."  Key word, ROLLERCOASTER!  I don't agree with it, and just because some book says that does not mean I am not going to stop going to either park.  It's all about the thrill and fun.  But in my opinion, rollercoaster does not have to be full-circuit.  The original coasters were simply carts at the top of ice hills that would slide down.  Then people had to manually carry them back up.  Do you consider the poor people that carried the cars part of the coaster to complete it's "full-circuit" status, but certainly with the advent of technology, the old term can not stand.  Just love a coaster cuz you can ride it!  And stop hating other parks!
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Well i mean is is GUINESS, they arent enthusiasts, there just a book, just because they have something wrong or something you dont like then TOUGH, they have about a gajillion other records in there to come up with. We just happen to enjoy this subject VERY much is the only reason we notice something lik that. I mean how do you know like a popscile enthusiast is complaining that the record for biggest popsicle isnt really a true popsicle

There is no way that you can count Superman the Escape a coaster.  There is also no way you can count Wicked Twister a coaster.  They aren't full circuits and they don't use a chain to get to the top of the hill and let gravity take over from there.

Both parks have 14 coasters.

If MM and CP both have an intamin coaster that does not  complete a circuit than why don't they both not count the intamin rides and move on with life. I really think CP needs to grow up and realize that they have been tied for the record. I don't know if you have noticed, but CP is always the one bringing up the whole contrevercy (always a topic in the Sandusky news papers, and never a topic in L.A. papers.) And it has nothing to do with the size of the city or the importance of the news. Also, MM really needs to lose "The Extreme Park" label, it is so lame. There is no such thing as an extreme park, there are theme parks and there are amusement parks. And their rides are not any more extreme than anyother theme park. JUST GET OVER IT!!!

While we are on the topic, I think SFOG can lose the title "The Break Through Year," Why you ask, because we have started a new year!!!!  SF is so lame and they really need to reform their management. There is also the possibility that we can take all the SF officials in an ally and beat the CR*P out of them until they have some sense.

I hope I haven't affended anyone.

Go Full Force said:

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"There is no way that you can count Superman the Escape a coaster.  There is also no way you can count Wicked Twister a coaster.  They aren't full circuits and they don't use a chain to get to the top of the hill and let gravity take over from there. "

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Hmm, then I guess all the Vekoma Boomerangs aren't rollercoasters either. They aren't full circuit, and they don't use a b]chain/b either to get up the hill.
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Six Flags Magic Mountain = 15
Cedar Point = 14

This will continue until Wicked Twister opens... then tieing both parks with 15 coasters each.

If Demon Drop is a coaster, then so is Freefall. Haha, SFMM still comes out on top!

Will MM now claim to be America's West Rollercoast? *** This post was edited by coasterrod on 2/12/2002. ***

Full Force said:

There is no way that you can count Superman the Escape a coaster.  There is also no way you can count Wicked Twister a coaster.  They aren't full circuits and they don't use a chain to get to the top of the hill and let gravity take over from
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Then i guess we can't count Flight of Fear as a coaster since it doesn't have a lift. Even though it is a coaster./
I also think that racing coasters should count as 2 coasters.
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This argument keeps things interesting.....but all that matters is that MM has X. *** This post was edited by ALEEN6E6 on 2/12/2002. ***

I think this debate is welcome change.  Watching construction photos of coasters going up is about as exciting to me as grass growing.  I like looking at them when they are all done and I marvel over the construction, but it's not like I boot up my computer to see the latest foot of track added today (and it usually seems as if there are 30 photos of the same peice of track).

And I also think that it is so hilarious that all these people who say "It does matter" and "Who cares" are taking the time to respond.  What a contradiction . . .

So here's to someone quickly adding another coaster to out do the other . . . again . . . and again  . . . and again.

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Not All Coasters are Created Equally

xShorty said:

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 If Demon Drop is a coaster, then so is Freefall. Haha, SFMM still comes out on top!

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Since when was Demon Drop considered a coaster?

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No. One. Cares.
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If no one cared, this topic wouldn't have so many replies!

-Jeff

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"Ok, let me see if I get this right. '-vs-' threads are not aloud in the forums. If something like this was posted in the forums, it would have been closed. Yet, it can be posted as a news item. Jeff, is this some sort of loophole that you just created?"

There's a difference here... this isn't some member coming up and saying "Park X sucks and Park Y rules." This is about the often silly marketing battles on behalf of a couple of parks. In fact, surprisingly enough, none of the posts here even go in that direction. Even on GTTP you'll find that the vast majority of diehard CP fans find the claim that Superman isn't a coaster, but Twister is, insanely ridiculous.

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"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

Some people are just plain retarded I guess.
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Ok, what's new for 2003?? I can't wait!!...

Look, they are both coasters.  Plain and simple.  Magic Mountain will keep the record for itself for a couple months. 

Then they can share the record, at least until next year.  As long as the focus remains on quality, this can only be good for coaster enthusiasts.

However, if the parks start throwing down any average coaster just to keep the record, then none of it is worthwhile for anyone. 

Cedar Point and Magic Mountain are both very good parks.  For me, the selection of which park I like better is not based on how many coasters, but which coasters are my favorite.  Quality not quantity, at least when judging for the best park overall.  Besides, the parks are not all about coasters.  Its about the overall experience, including theme, flat rides, dark rides, atmosphere and staff. 

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I agree that racing coasters, duel-tracked coasters, etc. should count as two coasters.

Otherwise, if they were "one" coaster, wouldn't that mean Gemini was the longest coaster at Cedar Point and PKI would have the three of the five longest wooden coasters in the World(I think)? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the statistics, but each side of Racer and Gemini are 3500 and 4000 feet long correct?

I can't believe CP always questions the coaster count statistic. I know its business and marketing, but I think they're really taking some cheap shots sometimes. A backwards coaster indeed has a different feeling that a forwards coaster and they should be counted as two seperate coastes. But try telling that to someone who couldn't even see the differences in Gwazi which is pretty hysterical. Tiger has this great maneuver which makes it the much better side in my opinion. The ride ops seemed faster on that side too. ;) And whoever said CP had theming like Busch parks was seriously disturbed.
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