Michigan's Adventure Future Plans

Hmm 5 times Coaster Bob? I think we got the point after the first one. As for the coaster, I wouldn't count on one for 2004 - maybe '05, but only if attendance goals are met.

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The thread is to long too to go back to see what I had already posted. Sorry Swoosh.

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Judgement, Superiority (ego), intolerance, and Hostility.........Makes CB the "Jenny Jones for "Coaster Trekkies" LOL

You only have to look at page 6 of this thread, Coaster Bob. For whatever reason, your post showed up 5 times--within seconds of each other.

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I've had the multiple-post thing happen to me. I think if you manage to hit "reply" more than once (via either mouse button presses or keystrokes when the cursor is on reply), you generate individual HTTP POSTs (or whatever ends up being used under the covers) for each button press. You can go back and delete the duplicates via "edit".

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I think that the big issue with expansion really lies in the sewer connections. If you ride ST you can clearly see the sewer ponds. I am sure that they want to make those ponds go away before they plan out what the expansion will look like. If they can't get the hookups that they want regarding the sewer, they will have to somehow build around them. I think a lot is up in the air right now in those regards. Someone did post a link to the Muskegon Chronicle about it a while back in this thread. Hopefully we see it resolved this year. But you can bet your last dollar that CF will foot at least 50% of the bill to make it happen. If that is the case it will be a while before we see an expansion like we need to look at MIA as a destination park.

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Expecting Cedar Fair to add a large coaster to MiA is like expecting Dutch Wonderland to get a Morgan hyper because Kennywood has Phantom. Go ahead and hold your collective breaths and wish all you want...I doubt it will do much good.

mOOSH

Coasterbob...to answer your question for all that land....

think Campground or Hotel. If they have any plan to draw people from outside the immediate area, one or the other (or both) are a must.

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A camp Ground would be the way to go IMO, because being a former MI Resident the typical Michigander tends to like camping....But aside from that they need more rides flats, coasters whatever, just make it a ride!
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*** This post was edited by Goku2216 6/25/2003 5:43:57 PM ***

Jeez, look what I start. :rolleyes:

I haven't been up there since the week after opening day to talk to anyone. Maybe it's about time to...

As for future expansion: I was thinking. Is there a good mid-sized steel family coaster out there we could make?

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Mean like Sreaming Squirrel, Jon? Or somethig else?

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Cedar Point RCT2 recreation-http://games.coasterbuzz.com/filedetail.aspx?GameFileID=2302

Mine Trains can be mid size but I'm not sure how much they run as far as cost goes.

Not thinking along the lines of a coaster......What about a rapids ride? They are a staple attraction for a lot of parks and people come to MIA for the water park so why not add a fun and family friendly water attraction? Any one have any information on how much a rappids ride would cost?

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*** This post was edited by Goku2216 6/25/2003 5:48:59 PM ***

A rapids ride would be a great addition and, in fact, would round out their collection of water rides [flume, shoot-the-chutes].

mOOSH

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Why would CF buy a park this close to their home market with the intention of expanding it and competing with themselves? Someone said it perfect earlier by stating that if MA was bigger and better they would think twice about making so many trips to CP. The fact is MA was hurting CP and CP was worried about the extremely fast growth by the Jourden family hurting their MI market area.

Attendance figures were never released before MA was a publicly traded company but let me tell you, attendance has clearly been down this year and last just judging by the parking lot. I am not saying this is because of the ownership (probably more likely the sad economy) but nonetheless it still hurts. I think it is unlikely a hyper will be added at a park with declining attendance. A campground is more likely to be used as a way to bring people in.

On this issue of land, no expansion would be possible to the west because of the golf course. To the north, there are residential housing and the parks operations area. The land to the south, on the other side of the road, appears to be a parking lot that the Jourdens needed, as I witnessed it being used during their last year of operation before selling but it appears CF has decided that this lot is not needed because it still sits vacant. Some land to the east would be possible but there are also residental housing over there. Besides, Roger Jourden still owns a majority of the vacant land around the park. The house directly across the street was for sale this past winter but apparently the park decided the land was not of any value because it was not purchased by CF but rather new residents have moved in.

I hardly think that we should be cheering that CF decided to put in rides that were already purchased by the Jourden family (the train, be bop, go karts). Maybe we should save our cheers for the bumper cars that CF brought in but then again they were an old ride from CP that was no longer needed. I am sorry to say but I have not really been impressed by what CF has been choosing to spend their money on as far as rides are concerned. Yes they are doing a great job landscaping but if I want to look at landscaping there are plenty of places to go for free. Only time will tell of course but I don't expect big things for MA.

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IF A hyper was to be built it think you'd see some activity at the park by now.

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Judgement, Superiority (ego), intolerance, and Hostility.........Makes CB the "Jenny Jones for "Coaster Trekkies" LOL

MIADVFAN, I hope for both of our sakes and the sake of MIA that you are wrong about CF trying to keep the park from getting bigger. That would be a shame as the park has so much potential.

However, I think MIA has a long way to go until they are competion for CP, and I know that MIA being better isn't going to reduce the number of trips I make to CP. It will only cause me to make more trips to MIA.

Take care and God bless!

It's rather silly to believe a hyper is the 'only' way MiA can get 'big'. What CF is trying to do is get the park to grow and that has nothing to do with your particular definition of growth or what addition would get you all tingly.

First and foremost, the park needs infrastructure. It has to have the means in place to extract money from visitors to pay off those rides you long for. Here's an example....

1996 - VF gets a hyper, their first new coaster since 1989.

1997 - VF gets new entrance facilities, a large new bathroom complex, a second sit-down restaurant (Coasters) and a spin-and-spue

1998 - VF gets a live performance theater, a new arcade and more concession stands. A spin-and-spue is removed (long live CP's Bayern Kurve) and replaced with a climbing wall.

1999 - VF sells their Schwarzkopf Mouse for an Arrow Mad Mouse.

2000 - VF builds PT, adds Frog Hopper, has Arrow retrack/ rebuild major segments of Excalibur, refurbishes and reintroduces 4 kiddie rides from DP and 1 from their own storage. Major landscaping upgrades are made.

Notice between the two large cap expansions there's an awful lot of infrastructure as well. Places to eat, places to rest, venues for shows and things to do for people who aren't so narrowly focused on thrills.

2001 - Caricature stands, roast corn stand, a new storage shed by the office area.

2002 - New height/ride description signs, Photo booth by Mild Thing.

2003 - Steel Venom (which includes a new midway path, more concessions and vending machines), Fudge and Taffy shop, Photo booth by Log flume, conversion of sit-down live performance venue to sports bar, two concession stands converted for new menu items

Starting to get the picture? My list is far from complete and may even include some glaring omissions--but the point is, there's more to intelligent growth than plopping down a coaster and believing people will just magically show up.

Frankly, if the concession options are as sparse as people say, that's where MiA has to beef it up first. VF literally bristles with 'attractions' and CF rewards them with decent budgets accordingly.

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If MA can't afford a new coaster. I say CF should "share the wealth". Peeps are always bashing Mantis and Mean Streak. CP should transfer those coasters to MA and replace them with new coasters. For everyone that will scream about the coaster count. I say build a replacement coaster and add a family or kiddy coaster in the same season. CP has enough rides to fill two parks. I say give up a couple. It was wasteful for Cp to get rid of Schwabichen without finding a new home for it. Demon Drop could go bye bye as well. Knott's could benefit by getting rid of Boomerang and getting an ArrowBAtic or another coaster that wouldn't take up alot of real estate. MA would save lot's of $$$. and when the time comes MA could start financing their own additions. with what I mentioned that alone would be three to five years of improvements. Mantis is taller and longer than SFGAM stand up and Mean Streak is alot Taller than American Eagle. Mantis and/or Meanstreak would be great world class coaster that any park would welcome as additions. With sixteen coasters at CP they get lost in the shuffle.
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Judgement, Superiority (ego), intolerance, and Hostility.........Makes CB the "Jenny Jones for "Coaster Trekkies" LOL
*** This post was edited by Coaster Bob 6/26/2003 10:10:16 AM ***
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Maybe they could find a way of reinforcing Mean Streak to remove the trims while they're at it? ;)

Curiousity question: How much does it cost to move a coaster vs. build a new one? Is there a significant savings?

I think that it is cheaper to transport a ride rather than building it from scratch. I remember seeing a show on discovery a few years ago about the phenox rollercoaster being moved to knobles. I believe they said something about how its cheaper due to not having design costs involved.

Anyone else see this show??

Get creative. If MA purchased the SW from SFGAM. MA could save the station, lift hill, and drop. And redo the rest.

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Judgement, Superiority (ego), intolerance, and Hostility.........Makes CB the "Jenny Jones for "Coaster Trekkies" LOL