Maverick

Dive Machine? As I have repeatedly said... No way they can do that at Cedar Point.

Why? Water Table. Cedar Point is on a peninsula. Go to far underground you'll have flooding issues. Dive Machine's key feature are a tunnel that goes underground. Unless they whimp out and make it go into an above ground tunnel IT ISN'T HAPPENING FOLKS.

Look for Maverick to be either a Woodie or a Flyer or GASP maybe a 4d????.

So you're just assuming that it HAS to have a tunnel and it doesn't.

They can build a ride without tunnels, you know. ;)

But tunnels are the big draw to all dive machines currently operating in the world.

Let me ask you would you rather dive 90 degree drop towards the ground and see what is coming or 90 degree drop into a tunnel of darkness that you have no clue what is going to happen in there?

Me I'd rather have the tunnel with no clue as to what is going to happen.

So, "all" qualifies as what, 3 of them?

Anyways, if they get a floorless, it might hurt GL. If they get a flyer, it might hurt GL. Anything could and possibly would hurt GL, so why bother worrying about something. They could have a floorless that doesnt reach heights or length of Dominator, and yet still be successful.

I would like to see a new GCII/GG woodie go in there, but that's just me.

Sheikra's first drop doesn't go into a tunnel and its still scarey.

Gee....silly me...I must have been hallucinating the last time I crossed from Detroit into Windsor. I could swear I went under the Detroit River. Same for the last time I went into NYC from Jersey.

It's a thing called a tunnel...that goes underground and a river and thousands of cars go through it daily. Why couldn't CP build on that a coaster could go through only 20 feet under ground (for a short distance, at that)???

Is anyone aware of Florida's water table? SheiKra doesn't go below ground for a VERY good reason.... ;)

A Dive Machine would be doable no problem, you just have to build an above-ground tunnel....or use the leftover "trains" from WWL... ;)

edit: Or, do as redman suggests and build a real tunnel....but I think those are expensive...and for a dive machine (meh), probably not worth it....esp. for a place that has no SPINNING coasters... :)

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Ooooo...I like 'gator's idea of a spinning coaster! I would certainly please those of us who would like to see something a bit more family oriented. Of course, so would a Sally Dark ride based upon the Maverick TV show where we can shoot up the bad guys.

How about BOTH?

What is the capacity on some of the larger spinning coasters?

The reverchrons are listed at 900 rph. The gerstlauers don't have capacity listed in rcdb, but WOF's site claims 720. So, not great, but the revercrhons come close to WTs 1000, and that seems to be just fine for that coaster in that park; the lines rarely get too long.

Another family-friendly option is the Setpoint super saturators, but those are only 600 rph, and that's probably too low unless you built two of them back-to-back (though you could probably do a bit better by splitting load and unload; Carowinds' model has only a single load/unload point.)

Either option would be fun, but the reverchrons still have a height requirement of four feet, so it's not quite as family friendly as the setpoint at 44". Neither is as accessible as WWL.

It's going to be interesting to see what they pick.

There was what I was really getting at above ground tunnel or it wouldn't be able to be done because of the expense to build it.

Extra expense of a tunnel? It's not as if they are building the "Chunnel".

If they wanted to, they could do it, and afford it.

-Tambo (still wishing for a GREAT new, wood coaster at CP)

But... but GL has three wooden coasters. A new wood coaster on The Point would hurt GL.

/sarcasm

Agreed, Tambo, in fact, a tunnel (of properly situated) would not need to be drilled, just dug in with the walls shored up. Look at the tunnels of Holiday World and Mt. Olympus for examples. (and yes, I know, before it gets pointed out, ...neither of those places had "water table issues")

But again, "water table issues" do not preclude building underground, it just adds a bit of complexity to the equation.

http://www.rcdb.com/ig92.htm?picture=1

Perhaps it's going to be a family coaster. CP only has one, Woodstock Express, and it is barely a coaster and has extremely long wait time. My wife watches the toddler and takes him on WE and I can ride Magnum twice before they are done. That includes walking time. A good family coaster for kids less than 46-48" is long over due in my opinion.

The economics of it makes sense for a family attraction too. There are less thrill seeking teenagers will relatively little money than seniors and families willing to spend in the park and in the resorts. That was most of the 2005 profit increase for CF. Skyhawk is relatively cheap way to appeal to the thrill seekers (and money spending seniors and parents that are thrill seekers) and the familiy ride will attract those that are drawn to PKI, Disney, and other more family freindly parks that have seen increased attendance. I have freinds with kids younger than mine that are willing to drive farther to these parks, rather than go to CP. Even SF has jumped on the family band wagon.

If not this, it will be a new thrill ride at KBF to either match the wild west theme of Ghost Town or have a surfer theme like the famous place near Malibu with huge waves. I've seen the surfers referred to as riding a roller coaster.

Should be fun either way.

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Hawkeye said:
Perhaps it's going to be a family coaster. CP only has one, Woodstock Express,

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Does Junior Gemini just not count?

They could, though, use something like a spinning coaster at CP. That would be fun. Alas, I anticipate it' something bigger, although I wouldn't rule out more than one attraction going in next year.

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bobthecoasterguy said:

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Hawkeye said:
Perhaps it's going to be a family coaster. CP only has one, Woodstock Express,

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Does Junior Gemini just not count?

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Hey bobthecoasterguy! To some extent, yes. But you have to be small enough to ride and only one parent can ride in the front seat of a car with the kid that is small enough. I wanted to ride it last summer so I could say I was on all 16 but my 5 year old exclaimed he was too big. He finally gave in and I got to ride with him. My 11 year old son had to pay him a dollar so he could do the same. WE is the only one that everyone can ride and WWL was the only other coaster-like ride that all could ride as well. The 5 year old loved Zach's Zoomer and Mad Mouse at Mich Adventure last summer. I loved them too (I realy loved Shivering Timbers though). As much as I would like something big and different in a coaster, I'm hoping for a fun family coaster big enough to please all. I've got plenty to chose from for now, so let's do something for the coaster riders in training.

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JG is not a family coaster.