Maverick work has begun

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DawgByte II said:
.....considering their past history of dibocary.

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Debauchery? LOL..

Well I was hoping CP would consider an intamin wooden coaster akin to Balder/Toro. Not that I don't like GCI/GG's. But like someone said, the intamins are in a class by themselves. But then again, so are Voyage and Thunderhead so I guess my point is moot. Oh well....carry on :-)

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Thom25 said:
Jeff said:Huge blow? Uh, did you see the crowds last week? This won't make a damn bit of difference to anyone other than enthusiasts.

Jeff, I've got to respectfully disagree that it won't make any difference... From a revenue point of view, I agree, the heartline won't effect CP's bottom line or guest experience.

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Does anything else matter? Let's face it, most people didn't know and will never care that there was ever an inversion there. You guys give the general public too much credit. You can stand there in the queue for a ride and they'll tell you something incorrect about the ride, with it sitting there in front of you.

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ophthodoc said:
My point, give the park some freakin' credit for trying to deliver something other than a cookie-cutter piece of crap.

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Amen to that. *** Edited 5/20/2007 2:08:18 PM UTC by Jeff***

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Jeff said:
You can stand there in the queue for a ride and they'll tell you something incorrect about the ride, with it sitting there in front of you.

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"Let's go ride The Maverick, does it go upside down?"

"I don't know, but I heard it's faster than The Dragster!!!"

"Oh my god cool!"

"After that let's go on Vortex!"

I've had a man dispute the fact that Mantis goes upside down while standing in line for it. Let's face it, the General Public has an inability to accurately interpret the path of the ride, even while having all the track right their in front o the them.

The term is PUTP, Public Unawareness of Track Path.

They care if the ride is fun, not necessarily if there was once an inversion there. They will, frankly, never know the difference in the way that all enthusiasts will.

More evidence that Maverick is having zero negative impact on attendance... This week they extended their hours to an 8pm close. Not a move they'd make if they were having a hard time getting the bodies in because of a closed, let alone modified, ride.

Maverick's opening would be delaying my trip to CP this year, however, I have one option that I can actually go, so let's hope she's open on June 11-12.

Cedar Point is in some really serious need of a wood coaster. It would be nice to have an Intamin but a GCI w/MF would be just as good. They really need to get serious about this though..............way too many steel coasters. They need some balance.

I've delayed my trip as well, since there's no sense spending $x coming from Boston only to have Maverick open the week after we go to the Point.

Jeff, I do think there is more to just bottom line when spending over $20m. There are lost opportunity costs when your entire Media event gets shelved, as well as reputation, to consider. Attendance has been strong this month soley due to the weather (thank god).

RoarsLoudly, with the new Intamin woodies, I think they track and ride more like a steel coaster than wood. An airtime monster like RoS (wood or steel) would be my choise, especially along the shore like previously suggested.

I don't disagree that there is some cost. Cancelling media day was obviously not good, but my point stands that with all of the enthusiast crying and predictions of the end of the world, this still ranks as a non-event.

The adjustment in operating hours also is a kick in the nuts to all of the people who were arguing in the infamous cost cutting thread that they're doing it to stick it to the customer.

Maybe I need to start a new thread on that one... :)

Jeff, totally agree that there is WAY too much crying, arguing, and wining - so pass the cheese! I also concur this is a total non-event. CP will have a kick ass 17th coaster shortly, and I for one can't wait to ride it.

Maybe a better thread would be speculation on #18 - jp - but do hope it's another Intamin (woodie or steel). How about modifying MF to accomodate those new trains from Furius Baco?

First they have to tare down that MeanStreak pile.

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Thom25 said:
Maybe a better thread would be speculation on #18

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Oh god. Please, no.

Some don't have to speculate....

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Jeff, I do think there is more to just bottom line when spending over $20m. There are lost opportunity costs when your entire Media event gets shelved, as well as reputation, to consider. Attendance has been strong this month soley due to the weather (thank god).

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I think you need to take a step away from the "box" we are in (that would be the very, very small "fanatic" box). The "media" will still have its day when it opens, so there is nothing lost there. As far as "reputation...just who exactly are you talking about? The general public, which would make up 99.99% of the guests at the park, does not ever log on to sites like this (at least at the rate we do), has absolutely no clue what is going on with the new ride, and does not adjust their vacations to accomodate its opening.

Say this to yourself out loud in the mirror three times before you post something like this again:

"The general public does not care about Maverick as much as I do"

CP's reputation is intact. 3 pieces of track and a heartline that only you, me, and our fellow coaster nerds here knew ever existsed will not change that.

(insert voice of N. Dynamite here)

GOD!

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OhioStater said:
The "media" will still have its day when it opens, so there is nothing lost there. As far as "reputation...just who exactly are you talking about?

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Seriously, and a lot of the people who have already have gone this year, which is apparently a ton of people, will go again when it opens.

Reputations shouldn't take much of a hit over this one. Trust me, if Cedar Point stuck with Intamin after Dragster, seat belt fiascos, and I can't say this for sure but Wicked Twister not really operating to full power. That last one might be fixed, but I don't know because it's been far too long is I was up there. You can't say that this was expected, but at this point something going wrong is not a total shock.

It is commendable to try new things, but to make promises on what you are going to deliver, and not be able to pull it off kind of makes me scratch my head and think we are at the limits for a good while. Intamin used gravity really well with Millenium Force. When they have experimented with other ideas even going back to Volcano it hasn't been pretty. I guess I can't get over the idea that you would design something and say that rollbacks are expected meaning that it isn't certain to work all the time.

Throughout history some experiements have failed (The Bat those old films of attempted loopers in the early part of the century come to mind, and others have prospered (Magnum, the remarkable coasters of the 20s) I just wonder if Cedar Point will have a change in direction and maybe go with more proven thrills than headaches because you don't stay on top forever if you make too many mistakes, but it appears that they aren't hurting too bad over this.

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Mamoosh said:
Some don't have to speculate....

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You want a round of applause?

Why do you assume I'm talking about myself?

Why do you assume he was applauding you for knowing?

A ride that is not open will affect the park. I bet there are many people who arrive at the park thinking that this new ride is open only to find it being closed. This leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths. In the long term it will affect CP. In short term it does not really affect them that much. If you tick off your customers to much eventually people will stop coming.