Maverick work has begun

Ohiostater, what I will say three times to myself can't be posted on this family friendly site (unfortunately), but two letters come to mind. LOL

I fully realize the GP doesn't care about Maverick, or coasters in general, as much as I do. When I was talking about reputation, it was meant in a broad general sense. The reality is CP has had a string of years when signature rides have had problems. Individually, this one instance is just another day in a park, but collectively, over time, these types of problems can have an effect on the GP's perception of the park.

Regarding height, imo it's a double edge sword. It motivates people to travel further to get to CP, while scaring us to death - Heaven. You do need ballance and think Maverick will be a great addition regardless of the hearline.

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carlo18 said:
I bet there are many people who arrive at the park thinking that this new ride is open only to find it being closed. This leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths.

I'm not trying to play the "Six Flags does it so it's ok if CP does it" card but for every $100 SFGAdv (or your average SF park) loses for this reason Cedar Point probably loses about $.05

At least at Cedar Point if their marquee ride is closed you can be reasonably sure that all the other coasters and major rides will be open and running at capacity, so I think a bit of perspective is in order.

Sure some of the GP will be disappointed but having 16 other coasters running and running well gives them a bit more leeway than other parks, for sure. Just sayin'. *** Edited 5/21/2007 11:42:52 AM UTC by matt.***

Why do you assume he was applauding you for knowing?

He quoted my post, therefore it's a safe bet he was responding to me just as I have quoted your post because I am responding to you.

carlo18 said:
A ride that is not open will affect the park. I bet there are many people who arrive at the park thinking that this new ride is open only to find it being closed.

Only if they've been living in a cave. And if they have been living in a cave, they probably didn't know about the ride in the first place.

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You're giving the general public too much credit, Jeff. I'm sure there are TONS of people that have no idea the coaster isn't open yet. But, those people also won't be that upset when they realize it isn't open since they didn't plan their trip around it.

carlo18 said:
A ride that is not open will affect the park. I bet there are many people who arrive at the park thinking that this new ride is open only to find it being closed. This leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths. In the long term it will affect CP. In short term it does not really affect them that much. If you tick off your customers to much eventually people will stop coming.

I don't get why this is a serious issue for Cedar Point, but not Kings Island, Busch Gardens Europe this year. both parks have new rides announced and advertised this year that are not open yet.

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OhioStater said:
...3 pieces of track and a heartline that only you, me, and our fellow coaster nerds here knew ever existsed will not change that.

...And everyone who reads or hears about it in the media?

I respectfully disagree with you all who think that the "GP" is a bunch of ignorant know-nothngs. The news covers such stories because there is a public interest. All of the info is on CP's website, including pics. Doesn't any of the members of the blissfully ignorant "GP" ever go to the site to check out what's going on at the park?

What about Tony and Tyler's Blog? According to some of you, no one but the coaster enthusiasts read it anyways, so why waste money paying them to write it?

Tony and Tyler...YOU'RE FIRED! lol

Or even better, fire the whole marketing department. No one knows CP has a new ride, and it was their job to let people know, so fire them all.

Heck. Why even build a new ride? They could save millions. People don't need a new ride to attract them to the park each year. Attendance will still stay level. It wont drop...right?

OR maybe a lot of people are excited about a new ride at CP, and they check the website and know that it's not open yet...and maybe some of those people come anyways because of the other 16 coasters in the park.

If the park installed a cookie-cutter ride like many other parks do, this probably wouldn't be an issue. At least they tried to build something different. Unfortunately the ride needs to be changed; at least they are taking care of it instead of letting people get slammed by something that didn't quite work. Given the coaster line-up that CP has, Maverick's slow opening won't be the thing that ruins guests' day at the park. I pity the fool who can't figure out how to have a good time at CP without something new to ride this year. Trust me; there are parks a great deal more skilled at ticking off customers than CP.

Like I said, the park is doing so well to attract people that they had to extend hours. It's a non-issue, and a year from now, no one will care.

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I have to agree with Jeff. People who know there is a new ride will likely know the ride is not yet running. And the other people probably don't even know there is a new ride. While at the park on opening day (wearing my marverick shirt), I had several people ask me what it was.

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Personally, I still had a good time at the park, even though Maverick wasn't open. I got to go to CP this past weekend (I hadn't been for almost 2 years). Despite Maverick being closed, the park being crowded, and numerous breakdowns, I still enjoyed myself.

CP knows how to run a park and show their guests a good time. That parks knows how to run rides at capacity or closer to it, and it shows. They know how to staff the place, and they know how to get maintenance working on rides. They also don't have a problem attacting people, either.

Also, Maverick's closing was clearly marked outside the gate, as well as very clearly on their website, which is more than I can say for some other parks.

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Just to let everyone know that there is people from Sandusky, OH that didn't know that they had a new coaster that's not open yet. I had to explain to them what was going on in the line for MF.

I have to say, I am very impressed with CP for all the signs, and the website for stating the issue. You stay classy Cedar Point. :)

Mamoosh said:
He quoted my post, therefore it's a safe bet he was responding to me just as I have quoted your post because I am responding to you.

I was really just joking, but I also asked how you knew he was "applauding you for knowing" and not "applauding you." It was obvious he was applauding you, but it wasn't clear for what.

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I have to say that I am real disappointed in this ride. All the complaints I had about the end of Storm Runner and that I read about Ritta regarding the combo of strong lateral forces and Intamin's OTSR's looks like they will apply to this ride as well. The only good reason for the OTSR's was this one unique element which is now gone. Now all they have is two corkscrews and an oversteep first drop which is a very poor justification for headbanging. The Screamscape report about Maverick being rough and the increase in the height requirement just further confirms my suspicision that Maverick may be a ride that will be tolerated rather than enjoyed. On top of that we now have a high speed S-turn that would be fun if it were not for the OTSR's. Again we have more headbanging. I hope I am wrong but right now I expect this ride to be okay at best and possibly just plain bad. My appologies to those who only allow positive opinions before a ride opens.

dexter said:
What about Tony and Tyler's Blog? According to some of you, no one but the coaster enthusiasts read it anyways, so why waste money paying them to write it?

This is all speculation, but I'd bet anything that a strong majority of people who visit in a given year do not visit the CP website before hand, and of those that do, the vast vast majority never stumble on the blog.

It's a marketing tool, plain and simple, and it's obviously geared to a very focused audience.

matt. said:
This is all speculation, but I'd bet anything that a strong majority of people who visit in a given year do not visit the CP website before hand...

Not sure I'd totoally agree with that. I suspect more than ever people are at least checking for prices and hours and stuff like that.

...and of those that do, the vast vast majority never stumble on the blog.

Agreed.

It's a marketing tool, plain and simple, and it's obviously geared to a very focused audience.

You hit the nail on the head right there. :)

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Honest question. Who is the audience that the blog is geared toward?

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I respectfully disagree with you all who think that the "GP" is a bunch of ignorant know-nothngs.

I never said they are ignorant, I just emphasized the point that they dont care.

And they dont.

Doesn't any of the members of the blissfully ignorant "GP" ever go to the site to check out what's going on at the park?

Of course they do. They just dont have an emotional reaction to it.

Mamoosh said:
Why do you assume I'm talking about myself?

Yeah I do. It seemed like a pointless comment to make.