Maverick work has begun

Maybe it's just me, and maybe I'm in the minority, but I can not stand any sort of barrel or heartline roll. To me, they're uncomfortable and useless. Perhaps I was the only one celebrating when I read they're removing it?

Dex you have clearly not been on Storm Runner yet. That ride may be short (in time and in length) but its much better then any other hydralulic Ive ridden on. While Im disapointed about the removal of the barrel roll, Im still excited about riding it. I predict that while it may not be the ride everyone talks about coming out of the park, it will be one that will leave all the riders smiling at the end and become a must ride everytime you go to CP (ie it will become like Gemini, Raptor and even Magnum now that its "short") which Im pretty sure was exactly what CP wanted.

I think most coasters dont exceed 3.5 G's, but even if the g's on the body are safe you have to take the train and track into consideration. You cant go from 0 g's to 3 g's right away. Also, you can't have such a tight heart line after a 70 mph launch and not do damage to the track and trains.

The stengel website will tell you what they do.

http://www.rcstengel.com/

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SFoGswim said:
Maybe it's just me, and maybe I'm in the minority, but I can not stand any sort of barrel or heartline roll.

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Really? And I'm assuming you've been on a bunch? Unique opinion, do you find some more tolerable than others?

Well, SFoGswim is within driving distance of King's Dominion, and therefore might have ridden Volcano the Blast Coaster which contains three back-to-back heartline rolls. I like the heartline rolls, but I could see where someone else might not enjoy the sensation.

As far as attendance goes Jeff I fully understand your point, however, what this is costing the park and Intamin is in fact a huge blow, not to mention if the ride was running on the opening day, the park capacity would be even higher.

SFoGswim - That was a personal preference remark. :)

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CoasterDiscern said:
...what this is costing the park and Intamin is in fact a huge blow...

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How do you know it's costing the park anything? They wouldn't be responsible for the fix, and the attendence sure doesn't seem to be hurting. In the end, any loss will probably be negligable.

What kid of confuses me is that the 0-G element should give you just that... 0 G's. You should be able to go through it at a decent speed without too much force (as long as it's centered correctly). Now, in that video it is going WAY too fast. I dont see how they expected a 70MPH 0-G to work correctly. The faster you go the more likely-hood any small calculation error is going to be felt. If they would have put that element later in the ride (which i think they could have in many parts of the ride), it wouldnt have been such a problem.

To bring Stengal back in, The company as a whole deals with these coasters. Im pretty sure they do basic layouts and element design (the photos I've seen of their office shows tons and tons of layouts everywhere). I just cant see how they didn't see this coming.

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Jeff said:
Did you guys not see the video of the train cruising through the roll? It was way too fast...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guTTVVco1NA

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Wow. Notice the "snap" point about halfway through the roll?

A "zero-G roll" is not what this was. Those kinds of rolls are at the apex of a parabolic curve to make you feel weightless. This was a heartline roll, moving the train around your heartline.

While novel, I never quite understood the decision to include it. These elements have been slightly to very uncomfortable, depending on the ride, and that's when they were up high and not taken at such speed.

^ - I'd agree. Obviously a lot of people are disappointed they are removing it, but I never really got all the hype around it. The element wasn't perceived very well on other rides, and as Jeff said, this one due to the speed and all would have been worse. I think an s-bend will be just fine.

And I'm not really sure I would have wanted to ride the heartline-roll. For CP to delay the opening substantially to remove it, you have to presume it was really, really bad.

What bugs me about Intamin's "heartlines" is that they aren't heartlined at all. If the center of the roll was at your heart or chest, then the forces should be radiating out from that point... your butt will want to go one direction, while your head goes the other. However, the rolls found on Intamin rides seem to have the center of rotation more towards the train. Even while going relatively slowly through the rolls on Storm Runner, your entire body is flung (forcefully) into the restraint. If you watch the video Jeff posted, the roll on Maverick didn't rotate the seats 360 degrees, it downright tried to eject them. I think the heartline could have been successful had it been in the style of Togo's Ultra Twisters, where the train truly does rotate around the riders' center of gravity.

In america these days, it's hard to say what an 'average' center of gravity is

For many Americans, it unfortunately is about two inches above their knee caps....

The more I watch the video, the more I think it looks like one of my failed creations on RCT that had an intensity of like 16.

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coasterkid92 said:I think most coasters dont exceed 3.5 G's, but even if the g's on the body are safe you have to take the train and track into consideration. You cant go from 0 g's to 3 g's right away. Also, you can't have such a tight heart line after a 70 mph launch and not do damage to the track and trains.The stengel website will tell you what they do.http://www.rcstengel.com/

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Each coaster is a bit different, but both the G forces and duration matter. If the G's are downward (i.e. as in a loop) the body can tolerate a bit more than if it is a lateral G. My guess is that this element is going because it had a high lateral G force which whipped riders into the shoulder restraints (a problem I had with Stormrunner as well...)

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matt. said:
Really? And I'm assuming you've been on a bunch? Unique opinion, do you find some more tolerable than others?

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Not sure what you classify as a bunch, but I feel I've been on enough to know that I don't like them. In my opinion, barrel rolls on inverts seem the most tolerable with Raptor's being the best. I didn't care for Scream's at all and I hate S:UF's, but for wildly different reasons. Hulk's roll at the top of the launch is usually acceptable, but can be sort of rough in my opinion.

Maybe it's my height? Being 6'4", most OTSR's come down right on top of my shoulders and any lateral forces are amplified. And barrel rolls and corkscrews have the most lateral forces out of any inversions. Included in that specification are Immelmans and dive loops as they incorporate a track twist of some kind. However, I really like SheiKra's Immelman, but maybe that's because it is taken so slowly?

Eliminating all of those inversions pretty much just leaves vertical loops which I could do without.

I bet it is your height. I just got back from Dollywood and the twist on Mystery Mine was just monumental to me. One of my fav types of inversions, shame you have to miss out.

^^So then, what part DO you like on a coaster? ;)

The only sit-down heartline I've experienced is Mystery Mine's, and to me, it was one of the best parts of the ride.

As my friend pointed out to me in pictures, the twists on Top Thrill Dragster and Kingda Ka are both heartlines.