Maverick work has begun

I spent all winter thinkiong of planning a trip to CP just to ride Maverick, but now I'm not so sure. I'm willing to see what happens, but I'm having doubts.

The problem is it seems like we enthusiasts don't really understand what Stengel's involvement is from ride to ride. For one thing, this is an entire company we're referring to, it's not just some lone guy there coming up with faulty coaster designs. Secondly, through other conversations we've had on Cbuzz, like we said, we really don't know what Stengel's hand was in all of this.

Maybe someone more "in the know" can tell us but my understanding was when Stengel is involved in a ride it could potentially be in several capacities of varying influence and importance. I would say it would have to be considering his name is on 393 coasters on RCDB.

Having communicated with him directly in the past, I can surely say that he's not doing any sum of work that it would even be worthy crediting him for. It's all in the company.

So they are replacing the roll with an s curve? If you look at that youtube video I think it will work. Your already coming around the one direction, from there its just one more quick change of direction which is what the ride is really all about.

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Konstantine said:
It's all in the company.

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And even with the company, what their actual capacity in a ride is can be quite variable, correct?

Assuming I understood your question correct, yes. The company does a wide variety of things, and their involvement in each project is different.

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I am completely dumbfounded right now. This is a huge blow for Intamin and Cedar Point.

Now Jeff, what is the legal limit for maximum G force for any guest ridding a coaster, and what do you think the train was pushing when entering the zero-G-roll?

In regard to the screamscape 'leak', well, if you go to the closed topic, you will see where I said that there will be a 'trick-track' type of replacement track installed. Granted, not the true definition of 'trick-track', the concept is close in what I envisioned, but I don't see anyone saying that coasterbuzz has a 'leak'.

BTW, who is Sanford?

I think Sanford was a typo for Sandor, while the "leak" was published by Screamscape, and most likely generated from someone within CP, which was the "issue." If Coasterbuzz published or distributed a leak then we would talk about that too, but they don't generate them, and certainly don't violate the "trust" they have with any organization.

Maverick isn't going to reach the same popularity as the other CP coasters anyway because to me it seems like a "Jr. MF" with a TTD launch and two corkscrews. I might change my mind after I ride it though.

So with one of the most unique elements disappearing from the ride, and upping the hight requirement to 54", Maverick is not starting off well. CP needs to start thinking about hiring someone other than Intaman to design their coasters.

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I spent all winter thinkiong of planning a trip to CP just to ride Maverick, but now I'm not so sure. I'm willing to see what happens, but I'm having doubts.

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Because a heartline roll was taken out?

O...K....you stay home then.

Time will tell of course, but I think Maverick will be wildly popular, with or without the heartline. Eventhough I'm not a big fan of loops, I too think it will be sorely missed. If Intamin didn't dominate the top 10 list of both wood and steel coasters, I agree it's time for CP to move on - but given their track record (no pun intended) of producing exceptional rides, I hope they continue their relationship.

So, what exactly will they be doing with the heart-line track?

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Maverick isn't going to reach the same popularity as the other CP coasters anyway because to me it seems like a "Jr. MF" with a TTD launch and two corkscrews.

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I'm worried about some of you. The only thing this ride has in common with MF is that it's made by Intamin. Are you serious?

Have any of you seen video of the lift hill? It looks great...you are going to get some serious air at the top of that thing.

Thom: How will it be missed when you've never ridden in?

I agree-- it will be wildly popular. Perhaps even moreso without the heartline, although we'll never know.

We need to remember that a vast majority of the general public will have no idea that element was originally on the ride. Even fewer will even know what a "heartline" roll is--and even fewer will care.

It will be something that many enthusiasts may wish they would have been able to experience--especially just for the "credit"--but I'm not sure it will be missed.

Cedar Point has the advantage of the ride not being open to the public and had very few human riders. Look at Son of Beast -- they removed an important element of the ride and most people knew that element existed. Maverick hasn't created a "perception" yet, so people don't really know what to expect. If they did this NEXT year and removed the heartline, people would have noticed.

I think, from a business standpoint, that Cedar Point did the right thing by removing it now and not waiting until the future.

Infamy, I will miss it since I know it existed and have seen the videos of it testing. I wasn't reffering to it being missed by the GP, BUT given all the news coverage of the delay in the Cleveland market, I suspect more than a few within the GP will notice the change.

Bottom line: I totally agree CP make the correct decision to get the ride open ASAP.

OK Tom, who is Sandor?

Also, personally, I liked your 'track record' pun....

I'm seriously bummed about the heartline roll being gone. That was one of the main reasons itlooks attractive. Everything else has been done before

Sandor is the dude who rode Maverick with the now defunct heartline roll...duh!!!!!!

Oh yeah, he also has one more credit than you will ever have, so get over it...

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CoasterDiscern said:
I am completely dumbfounded right now. This is a huge blow for Intamin and Cedar Point.

Now Jeff, what is the legal limit for maximum G force for any guest ridding a coaster, and what do you think the train was pushing when entering the zero-G-roll?

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Huge blow? Uh, did you see the crowds last week? This won't make a damn bit of difference to anyone other than enthusiasts.

There is no "legal" limit for G-forces, but I believe there are ATSM standards. I can guess that the forces exerted on the rider were well within limits, and easily calculated before the first footer was ever poured. How comfortable it was, and the effects on the trains' wheels, axles and bearings, however, were I suspect the wild card that got them in the end.