Holiday World should ban smoking

You say second hand smoke isn't bad, yet even Philip Morris says that second hand smoke is indeed dangerous and can cause diseases. Not to mention that with a simple search, I found many credible websites outlining the many dangers of second hand smoke for both adults and children.

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I lied, but I can't stand cigarette smoke.

Ever hear of the SBD!!!????

Just trying to stay on the light side...

Wood - anything else is an imitation

I never had a problem with smokers who did it outside (except the winter smokers who huddle around the front door of a building and you have to wade through the smoke to get inside).

However, since my child was born and I have noticed that he coughs and his little eyes water anytime we are near a smoker, I am a little more sensitive to smokers around me.

I was at our community pool last night and a guy was smoking IN THE POOL. We would go to one side...only to have him come down near us. We would go to the other side and he would follow.

Does anything define the problem of addictive smoking any more than a person who has to smoke while swimming or another person who can't make it through a 1 hour queue without lighting up?

Drinking soda is dangerous to your health too, especially if your a diabetic. Does that mean that there shouldn't be any more soda?

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Corey
"Afterward, services resumed for about 20 minutes until the congregation realized the church was on fire." - www.channel3000.com

Rollercoast,

If you drink a soda it isn't going to hurt me...unless you spit it at me. Of course if you do that then it is assault.

Wahoo,

I agree, in fact if someone spat soda at me, there'd be two assaults. ;)

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--George H
---Currency tracking experiment... http://www.wheresgeorge.com (Referring to The "George" on the $1 bill - Not Me)

First off anyone who thinks that all of society should conform to *their* standards is the one *I* would dub self centered

As for farting, I completely disagree with your whole characterization, starting with the premise that it is controlable. I simply quote the great Dr. Benjamin Franklin

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It is universally well known, That in digesting our common Food, there is created or produced in the Bowels of human Creatures, a great Quantity of Wind.

That the permitting this Air to escape and mix with the Atmosphere, is usually offensive to the Company, from the fetid Smell that accompanies it.

That all well-bred People therefore, to avoid giving such Offence, forcibly restrain the Efforts of Nature to discharge that Wind.

That so retained contrary to Nature, it not only gives frequently great present Pain, but occasions future Diseases, such as habitual Cholics, Ruptures, Tympanies, &c., often destructive of the Constitution, & sometimes of Life itself. (A Letter To A Royal Academy, 1781; capitalization original)

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So to 'control' farting is not healthy :)

Thrid, contrary to popular belief, I dont even smoke....
lata, jeremy

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Shy One,

That's fine. We've also pointed out very credible sites and statistics that say otherwise. Again, that's the funny thing about stats and numbers - as much as they seem to be "definite" - you can spin them to mean anything.

I also believe Phillip Morris was forced to add that statement as part of some "agreement" - anyone know the full details on that?

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Dorney Park Visits in 2003: 15

I am always courteous to non-smokers around me when I'm smoking. Infact, if there are ever young children in the area I move asap, because I know that the smoke could potentially hurt them.

Not all smokers are as couteous as I am, which is the problem. It's not smokers in general, it's the lack of "smoker courtesy".
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Corey
"Afterward, services resumed for about 20 minutes until the congregation realized the church was on fire." - www.channel3000.com

Corey is definitely courteous. ;)

I don't know abot you guys, but after a good ride on Legend even me the non smoker needs a cigarette ;)

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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.

Or after afew beers and ribs from Trapper's Smokehouse ;)

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Corey
"Afterward, services resumed for about 20 minutes until the congregation realized the church was on fire." - www.channel3000.com

....or after Brent gets out from the Bong Jovi concert....;)

Beer, red meat, and cigarettes, hey if one doesn't kill ya one of the other two will ;)

But seriously this Smoking Nazi "Truth" crap has gotten out of hand IMO.
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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.

Brent - What about after a Hamburger?? ;)

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Corey
"Afterward, services resumed for about 20 minutes until the congregation realized the church was on fire." - www.channel3000.com

Ya know, my point in creating this thread wasn't really to start a smoker/non-smoker flame war.

What I really wanted to talk about was whether it would be feasible for HW to ban smoking, what the consequences would be, could it ever actually happen, etc.

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A day is a drop of water in the ocean of eternity. A week is seven drops.

I must dissagre with all of you who says second hand smoke doesn't affect you. All of my friends, and family choke when we are near smokers (even if they arn' smoking and its just that nasty smell that follows them). Yet I am still all for smoking, but don't make me be around the affect of it (that includes midways). If I decide to eat all fast food, drink, eat red meat or do anything else that harms myself, it doesn't affect you. Smoking affects me. It harms my body (granted just a littl bit wont hurt, but over the long run it will, non of you can argue that fact). Now smoker areas off the general are of a park is a fair solution to all of this. I get to keep my lungs clean, while smokers can go off and fill their lungs with tar.

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www.RideWorld.com

Why are you focusing just on HW? Might as well say every amusement park should ban it.

I kind of didnt understand that smoking section in the 4th of July section as mentioned above. They allow smoking on the midways, yet this section is still there. Kind of pointless if you ask me.

I do agree that parks probably should have smoking sections but to flat out ban it is just ridiculous. Making the comparison to restaurants having a ban is not the same. Its an indoor facility and if you need to have a cigarette, you can just walk outside and light up. That isnt as easy at an amusement park.

Lord Gonchar and Jeremy have basically said what can be said about this topic. I cant elaborate any further on it. Good job guys. :)

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In a queue your movements are restricted and moving away from smokers requires that you not participate in the activities that you paid for when you entered the park. Yet some extreme jerks seem to feel it so necessary to get their drug fix that they have to smoke in line. (And yes Jeremy it is a drug fix.)

The real data on second hand smoke is that it is toxic. Even some of the cigarette companies are starting to admit this. I work in a chemical plant and the government would shut us down immediately if the environment in the chemical plant was even on tenth as toxic as the environment around a smoker. Aside from the cancer risk it also causes potentially life threatening asthmas attacks in asthmatics. And of course it is a fire hazard. In most parks it is in fact a crime to smoke in line violating both the state laws requiring guest to follow park safety rules and violating the fire codes. Few of you may know this, but smoking is strictly banned in cigarette factories due to the fire hazard.

Personally I think that smoking should be like sex, between consenting adults in private. There is essentially nothing else so harmful to others that you allowed to do in public in our society.

In case you are wondering why I feel so strongly about this. I have a daughter with asthma. I've had her sent into asthma attacks by those who insist on smoking in queue. If you ever want to have your day at the park ruined, just have child laid down by an asthma attack.

At Cedar Point this year I had to leave a queue because of a jerk who would not stop blowing smoke in my daughters face even after being requested nicely several times and imformed that she has asthma. Even other smokers in the queue were angry at him. I couldn't find any park security anywhere near, and the jerk would have stopped I'm sure by the time I got back.

As to an arrangement that allows smokers to continue to kill themselves and seems to draw the line far enough away that smokers don't smoke in queues, I think that Silver Dollar City has a good idea. SDC has designated smoking areas and smoking is banned in all other areas of the park.

Now, I'm not a militant anti-smoker by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm curious as to how some of you can equate smoking with something like wearing overbearing perfume. Seriously, doing either in a crowded area is obnoxious, but certainly having to smell cheap perfume or cologne (or even BO for that matter) doesn't nearly (physically) irratate people the way smoke does.

What surprises me is the way people try to minimize, or perhaps justify, their actions by bringing up "more annoying" public actions. (Examples like making out/synchronized family outfits were brought up.) Surely all these actions are obnoxious to one degree or another, (With synchronized outfits being the prime offender.) but that does not justify any of them. I though we all picked up that "two wrongs do not make a right" concept in preschool.

On a final note, I just want to mention that the point that compared allergic reactions to cigarrettes to allergic reactions to persian cats was completely idiotic, totally invalid. I mean, seriously, allergic reaction to smoke is an allergy considerably more common than an allergy to a certain breed of cats. That's to say nothing of the fact that scraping every cat hair off your posessions is impossible; not lighting up in public is common courtesy.

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Mike Anderson

The reason I focused on HW is because if any park in the world would have the, er, guts to do it, HW would.

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A day is a drop of water in the ocean of eternity. A week is seven drops.