GL's Steel Venom probably also on it's way out....

I'm going to guess that Carowinds gets the Impulse and Dorney gets a wood coaster. At least that makes the most sense to me, and not just because I love wood coasters.

^ No....it makes the most sense because I've been saying that for weeks! ;)

Kidding! :) kinda... ;~P

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True, a woodie would be great, but you have to remember that Hersheypark has TWO GCI's, Knoebels will have the Turns, and Great Adventure just got El Toro. The region is kinda tapped out with wood, and unless it's something truly diffrent from the nine other woodies around (HP, Knoebels, Dutch Wonderland, Great Adventure), it would be a hard sell to me. I love wood as much as the next enthusiast, but SV would be a good shot here. Plus, hey, it's unique and would be cheap for that park.

Edit: I guess I could also count J2 in there for 10 woodies. *** Edited 2/6/2007 8:54:45 PM UTC by Arson***

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^ I think just the opposite...I think the region is proving that wood is a very viable option....and properly cared for, can provide your guests a REAL alternative to more and more looping steel Beemers...

Rob Ascough said:

Dorney operates in a market a lot more competitive than the market that Worlds of Fun operates in.

Riiiiight, and where exactly is the SDC/CC/WWB, Schlitterbahn and Legoland at near Dorney Park? Yeah that's what I thought.

Arson said Yeah... to me, it seems it's down to Dorney or Carowinds (every other park got a new coaster last year or this year... except GL, but...). I still think the Boomerang could go to MiA.

If MIA gets a bommerang it better be like Face Off at KI. Not a old school one. The Invitago isnt a bad idea for MIA, i heard they only coast 4 million.

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Timbers crew 08

Coasterkid, if MIA gets the boomerang from GL, it will be a standard boomerang and it will cost much less then 4 mil.

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Swoosh...I gotta go with Rob on this one. I'll grant Schlitterbahn and Legoland, and even Branson isn't THAT far away. But, right now, there's ONE park, with one coaster, within 123 miles of WoF. Most everything of size is 3 hours away. The good news is that MO has good interstates for coaster-lovers. :)

Granted, rcdb lists "as the crow flies", but within that same radius of 123 miles from Dorney, I get over a page and a half of results. That's *market saturation*. KC-area is still growing. Just my take...

When Cedar Fair purchased the Paramount parks they released figures on just how much revenue all of their parks made (This is the total a park brought in not profits). These figures are for 2005 and include the water parks and hotels owned by Cedar Fair that service that park (which is why Cedar Points and Knotts figures are so high).
Cedar Point - $210 million
Knotts - $186 million
Dorney - $56 million
Valley Fair - $36 million
Worlds of Fun - $35 million
Geauga Lake - $26 million
Michigan's Adventure - $19 million

Kings Island - $108 million
Canada's Wonderland - $93 million
Kings Dominion - $81 million
Great America - $63 million
Carowinds - $60 million

Considering the costs of running the park and how much maintenance costs were plus the repairs Steel Venom needs you can see why Cedar Fair removed X-Flight and it looks like they are moving Steel Venom as well. Looking at the list of park revenue you can see why there was no chance Michigan's Adventure was actually going to get X-Flight and why I can't see Steel Venom going there. Wish we could get 2006 figures but I am betting this was a one time thing that will not be repeated.

What i meant is if they do get a Boomerang it better be a inverted one. Why would GL get rid of their boomerang.

Timbers crew 08

I think that the boomerang from Geauga Lake would fit at MiAdv.

1. It looks like a coaster they could afford, on there budget.

2.All it needs is a new paint job and a maybe some new wheels on the cars to make it look better and run smoother.

3.They have enough land.

4.They could market it as new and have a very nice increase in attendance, which would lead to more things being built.

The only problem is why would Geauga Lake get rid of a cheap to run rollercoaster which is a rare for them to have.

What i meant is if they do get a Boomerang it better be a inverted one. Why would GL get rid of their boomerang.

Are you even reading this thread, ck200?

How much do Vekoma Inverted Boomerangs go for?

Yea I just dont see the point of getting rid of GL's Bommerang. It has okay capacity, a fun ride, and most of all it has low maintance. Those seem like good reasons for GL to keep it. If MIA was to get one they would just get a new one, the inverted ones only cost 4 million. CF isnt 6 flags by moving rides from park to park. So GL wont be losing Head Spin.

Timbers crew 08

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ck200: s'what I thought...you're not reading the thread.

Kenban said:Considering the costs of running the park and how much maintenance costs were plus the repairs Steel Venom needs you can see why Cedar Fair removed X-Flight and it looks like they are moving Steel Venom as well. Looking at the list of park revenue you can see why there was no chance Michigan's Adventure was actually going to get X-Flight and why I can't see Steel Venom going there. Wish we could get 2006 figures but I am betting this was a one time thing that will not be repeated.

Kenban, thanks for the numbers. It makes alot more sense when you have the facts laid out for you. I find this very interesting.

Huh, MiA at the bottom of the list. Doesn't look like there will be much heading that way. Perhaps we should put coasterkid on a suicide watch. ;)

Coasterkid200 said:
Yea I just dont see the point of getting rid of GL's Bommerang [boomerang]. It has okay capacity, a fun ride, and most of all it has low maintance [maintenance]. Those seem like good reasons for GL to keep it. If MIA was to get one they would just get a new one, the inverted ones only cost 4 million. CF isnt 6 flags by moving rides from park to park. So GL wont be losing Head Spin.

Nobody called CF Six Flags. They're not rotating rides all over. They're relocating a couple coasters from one park they recently acquired.

Swoosh said:
Riiiiight, and where exactly is the SDC/CC/WWB, Schlitterbahn and Legoland at near Dorney Park? Yeah that's what I thought.

Ummmm okay. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you're taking the "sarcastic jerk" attitude with me?

First off, there is no Legoland in that area right now. When the park is there and entertaining people, we can count it, but right now it's not part of the conversation. What is part of the conversation is the competition that Dorney has. Hershey, Dutch Wonderland, SFA, Great Adventure, the Jersey shore parks, Coney Island, Rye Playland, Lake Compounce, Kennywood, Idlewild, Lakemont, DelGrosso's and PKD are all parks reasonably close to Dorney. No other part of the country is so loaded with amusement parks, or even close- especially not what you mentioned as Carowinds competition. So perhaps you can shove the attitude, or at least save it for someone that actually deserves it? Because I don't believe I did anything to warrant that kind of response from you...

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Rob Ascough said:
Swoosh said:
Riiiiight, and where exactly is the SDC/CC/WWB, Schlitterbahn and Legoland at near Dorney Park? Yeah that's what I thought.
Ummmm okay. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you're taking the "sarcastic jerk" attitude with me?
First off, there is no Legoland in that area right now. When the park is there and entertaining people, we can count it, but right now it's not part of the conversation. What is part of the conversation is the competition that Dorney has. Hershey, Dutch Wonderland, SFA, Great Adventure, the Jersey shore parks, Coney Island, Rye Playland, Lake Compounce, Kennywood, Idlewild, Lakemont, DelGrosso's and PKD are all parks reasonably close to Dorney. No other part of the country is so loaded with amusement parks, or even close- especially not what you mentioned as Carowinds competition. So perhaps you can shove the attitude, or at least save it for someone that actually deserves it? Because I don't believe I did anything to warrant that kind of response from you...
*** Edited 2/7/2007 4:07:21 AM UTC by Rob Ascough***

I would say SoCal had a bigger comp. I mean Knotts, SFMM, DISNEYLAND, DCA, SFDK, SWSD, GA, and not to mention all of the boardwalk parks which load the Cali shore. All of those parks and more are within a days drive from eachother...some are within 20mins from eachother.

Don't you get it, Rob? If it's not in Missouri, which is apparently the greatest state in the nation and the closest thing to heaven on earth that we'll find, then it's not worth talking about. ;) I hear there are some great ROI discussions that go on there too.

Ray P.