GADV Intamin Rocket Track on site

^ OMG you are totally the first person to say that, jwhoogs!

Maybe you should read the responses to the other people's posts about the same thing and you'll get your answer.

-Josh

*** Edited 8/13/2004 8:26:02 PM UTC by Raven-Phile***

Oh my gawsh Raven you're right! Noones ever said that!

Yeah, don't just skip through the posts and then post something that's already been said a lot. Although I'm pretty much doing the same thing.

I have a theory I'll lay out for you all. Note this is nothing I've heard from anybody else, this was just a thought off the top of my head. Its been mentioned that the track lenght isn't long enough, esp. for inversions.

But, lets assume that Intamin has put a more powerful launch on this and they did infact make it taller than TTD. What if the Top Hat is the inversion? What if they put an inverting Top Hat on this one? I know, you'll say they already have a coaster like that. But SFGAm had 2 Arrow Loopers. Many parks had/have 2 log flumes. How many coasters @ CP go over 200'?

It could be done. But its just a thought...

If they are going to go with redundant...will this be Superman II or Batman III?

I guess they could go for the world's tallest inversion. yawn! I just hope its not L-TH-B!

While true, the braking isn't not very strong. Xcelerator has probably the strongest braking I've ever felt on a coaster. Dragster has nothing compared to that. Xcelerator pushes you into the lapbar... hard. On the other hand, Dragster is more slow and smooth.

Ooooh...I think Montezuma's Revenge at Knott's has MUCH stronger braking then Xcelerator does.

I dunno. IMO Xcel totally throws you into the lapbar. Monte has a little jerk, but nothing major.

Yeah, the reason Dragster's brakes aren't too strong is because the brakes use almost the exact same force as the launch does, and your body can comfortabley take much more forward than backwards.

I never claimed to work on the ride during construction! I was relaying something I thought Jeff had said during the construction phase when someone asked why there were gaps in the brake fins.

Sorry, next time I'll take the time to research exactly what material something's made of rather than just say what I think it looks like... cause I have time to do that before every post.

And in case anything in this or any other post I make is 100% wrong, I apologize to all in advance for my boundless stupidity.

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Red Garter Rob said:
Coming out of retirement for this one...

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Maybe you should have stayed in Retirement if you're gonna come at somebody like that.

That was rude and uncalled for, and I think you could have said it in a much less idiotic way than that.

I didn't know you were the one that designed and hand built the coaster (edit)yourself, and Brett saying what he did was based on what has been said in the past.

Go back into retirement, enjoy your job with Cedar Fair, and when you can play like a nice little boy, come back and see us, mmmKay?

-clint, who wonders if your coming out of retirement and making yourself look like an a$$ is okay with the company. Don't you know you represent them now? *** Edited 8/15/2004 5:59:20 AM UTC by TeknoScorpion***

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mmmKay?

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Mr. Mackey, LOL :).

Yeah, shouldn't have pulled an MJ there, stay in retirement so we don't have to deal with crap like that again...

The gaps in the brake fins were not there when the track arrived originally. The plates were installed the length of each section. You can see bolt marks on the installed track.

Lots of wild rumors are flying around the "East Coast Coasters" forum. Some of the more interesting ones:

- 450 feet high top hat

- 140 mph launch

- track length of 2480' is incorrect

- the name will have "max" or "maxx" in it

It'll be interesting to see how much of this actually turns out to be true. I remember that "Dragster" was seen on the initial documents received when CP first received the parts for TTD.

Let me give two reasons why SFGRADV's ride will not be a record breaker.

Reason #1.We all know that SFMM is SF's CP wannabe,whenever CP gets a coaster SFMM usually does & they always try to go for some sort of record such as height,speed or inversions.

Reason #2.Anyone remember when TTD was being built how early the footers were poured just for the launch track alone? they were poured months before the heavy construction of the ride even began,SFGRADV has just barely begun to pour footers for their ride so it's a safe bet that it probably won't be anywhere near as tall...I'd say probably around 250-300ft tall tops.

Also we havn't even seen the layout yet so it's still quite possible that it won't be a TTD clone,why do we automatically assume that just because it's a rocket that it'll automatically have the exact same layout as TTD?

There are some reports that the ride is making a bit of a V shape and is wider at the tower. The one pic I saw sort of looked like it, but it was not conclusive and I won't post a link to it because it was taken from the parachutes. Anyway, if they did a V, that might save some track, I guess.

Edit: BWF, we have seen enough of the layout that with that combined with the track length, the size of the supports, and the triangle of large footer holes at one end, it is pretty obvious what the layout is. *** Edited 8/15/2004 4:22:32 PM UTC by RavenTTD***

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BATWING FAN SFA said:
Let me give two reasons why SFGRADV's ride will not be a record breaker.

Reason #1.We all know that SFMM is SF's CP wannabe,whenever CP gets a coaster SFMM usually does & they always try to go for some sort of record such as height,speed or inversions.

Reason #2.Anyone remember when TTD was being built how early the footers were poured just for the launch track alone? they were poured months before the heavy construction of the ride even began,SFGRADV has just barely begun to pour footers for their ride so it's a safe bet that it probably won't be anywhere near as tall...I'd say probably around 250-300ft tall tops.

Also we havn't even seen the layout yet so it's still quite possible that it won't be a TTD clone,why do we automatically assume that just because it's a rocket that it'll automatically have the exact same layout as TTD?

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While I have my doubts as well, I think you need to keep in mind a few things.

1) The start of construction for this new ride is about on par with when TTD's construction began. Several other people have pointed this out.

2) As much as SFMM and CP have been battling it out for whatever (most coasters, best park, etc.), SFGAdv has a HIGHER attendance than SFMM and falls just short of CP. So, I don't think that argument holds much weight.

3) SFGadv has NOT had a REAL record breaking coaster since 1989.

4) No, we're not 100% SURE that it's a rocket, but all evidence is sure pointing that way. The supports, the track, the layout, the length (although there's speculation that this length is incorrect).

So, while we can't jump to conclusions and say it WILL be a record breaker, you can't say it WON'T either. *** Edited 8/15/2004 4:47:23 PM UTC by Kris Wempa***

Let me also give two reasons why it COULD be a record-breaker:

1) All reports and pictures of footer layouts suggest that the layout is the TTD-style of launch-tophat-brakes. If this is all there is to the ride's layout, it would be a waste to make it only 200 feet tall considering that there are already two other Rockets with (approximately) 200-foot-tall tophats that have much more interesting and complex layouts.

2) SFGAdv already has a 200-foot-tall coaster that has a launch and a tophat and (I reiterate) a more interesting and lengthier (time-wise, that is) layout, and that's Batman & Robin: The Chiller. Although its uptime has been questionable in the past couple seasons, there are no rumors suggesting that its going to be removed, so it makes little sense to put in a ride that is similar to it (and does less) on the other side of the park if they're planning on keeping the first one.

Note that the construction signs also made a point of identifying this as an "exciting new attraction" and that SFGAdv is really hyping this bad boy. They haven't ever made this much of a point in advertising their new rides in-construction.

And as for the whole SFMM theory: there are countless threads, including Kris's post above, that debunk the SFMM vs. CP theory, so I don't buy it. Sure, CP is Cedar Fair's flagship park, and sure, SFMM has 16 coasters too. But SFGAdv is SF's east coast landmark and gets significant rides too, so don't discount it as a possibility. Besides, SFMM has already possesses one (albeit broken) 400-foot launched coaster; installing one there would be old news. It makes sense to put a record-breaker on the east coast (as I mentioned in an earlier post) and would still be a major coup for SF: if it can claim back a record from CF, it would still be significant claim for the company, regardless of which park it ends up in.

So i still say it's alright to dream about a world-record-breaking coaster at SFGAdv next year, and I will continue to do so. :)

EDIT: Spelling and some grammatical changes that make my post make more sense considering that Kris beat me to the punch because I took so long to type it -- well-played, Kris! *** Edited 8/15/2004 4:45:36 PM UTC by Nitro Dave***

we're not 100% SURE that it's a rocket

Yes we are. There is rocket launch track on site.

Good post, Nitro Dave. I think we're on the same page here. Sure, it COULD just be a smaller version of TTD or something a little different. None of us here are saying that it WILL definitely take the record, simply because we just don't know. However, people who COMPLETELY discount the idea that it COULD take the record are ignoring some obvious facts and hints. *** Edited 8/15/2004 7:22:51 PM UTC by Kris Wempa***