CP #16 Criticism Unwarranted
CP did not promise a refund. They did not do wrong. There were a couple dozen people in the park total, two-thirds of them season pass holders. That's not a guess, that's an actual fact. Furthermore, a couple of paying guests did later that week talk to the park and get a refund... it was all discussed on GTTP.
For the duration, the haunts were open as were the normal Friday night stores.
If you actually think that the park had any obligation to be open that night with a couple dozen guests in the park, then you need a common sense check.
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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com - Sillynonsense.com
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I'm glad CP gave some people who were there a refund - that was the fair thing to do, and that makes me feel much better about the situation. I wonder, though, why this particular person never received his.
FWIW, the haunts were not all open that night. Two of them were, the rest were not (specifically the one back by the Waveswinger was not). You're right - I do not think CP had an obligation to be open that night. But I do think there is an obligation to treat your paying guests fairly.
-Nate
Probably the persons refund got lost in the mail. In that case, go and complain to the mail service people, not CP.
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-Nate
Cedar Fair- Great experience! Great Coasters! Great staff! Reasonable prices!
I'll disagree (since you're being general on the whole chain) with everything besides prices... Knotts and Dorney will be lucky for me to hold them in half as high regard as CP. =op
Of course all parks have problems, but our beloved park has fewer. They're the benchmark, the best, and for some reason people try to deny them that. Of course there's a bias toward the best... there always is.
*cough* Disney's the Best *cough* ;)
At a SF park, it's rare when everything's open. At a CF park, it's rare when something is down.
I'm having a hard time remembering anything down on my visits to SFOG(6/02), SFGAm(8/99), and SFNE(5/00).
CF has its share of downtime I've seen (*most* of CP's coasters-including WT, MF, Magnum, MS, Mantis, and ID- at one point or another, Ghostrider, Perilous Plunge, select KBF and Dorney flat rides, Windjammer, Laser,...).
Neither is perfect and most of the generalizations I see *aren't* true.
-Danny
*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 12/21/2002. ***
Ok, Cedar Point did one bad thing. Big whup? It's your fault for even going to the park that night, you could have checked up on the weather conditions.
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The top 3 all time cobrarolls.
1)Raptor's
2)Deja Vu's (times 3)
3)Batman Knight Flight's
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"Launching in 1,2,3..2..1"
-Wicked Twister Ride Op.
Interestingly enough, it seems as though SFMM and CP have switched roles on this one. A few years ago, SFMM put in the short "one element" coasters, now CP seems to be doing it. As far as I can see, SFMM is getting the edge lately since they are actually building REAL, multi-element coasters while CP is falling short by putting in the "one-element" models.
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Best inverts:
1. Talon
2. Volcano - The Blast Coaster
3. Raptor
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"Launching in 1,2,3..2..1"
-Wicked Twister Ride Op.
Eric, on "falling short", it is about quality not quantity (in this case, extreme speed--height--drop, the end), so they're falling short as far as layout and an interesting design goes.
-Danny, who regrets to inform you that he will probably love it ;)
*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 12/21/2002. ***
What the hell is B:TC?
And can we all just freakin' shutup about this whole thing? We aren't getting anywhere with all of this tug-of-war crap. So please stop. It's not like winning over another person is going to get you anywhere...
Gator - Not only has Chiller vallied (saddled - the term used at sfgadv) with riders, it's got a special area where it's saddled acouple times with riders nicknamed the "O-S" area. If you can guess where that is, I'll give you a cookie :)
If you look around I'm sure you can find a link or two that'll show you a train in the "O-S" area.. it happened acouple times earlier this year.
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Corey
"I make it a rule never to get involved with possessed people. Well, it's more of a guideline than a rule." - Dr. Pete Venkman/Bill Murray
kRaXLeRidAh said:
What the hell is B:TC?
Batman: The Chiller
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2 superheroes in Gurnee next season? Oh the humanity. :)
Koaster King said:
Ultimate Coaster, I could say the same you are about X about CP where they built #16 on top of MF on top of Magnum on top of Gemini which make each smaller coaster worthless, but they each provide different experiences even though each were originally built for the height aspects. I don't think that's the case at all. You could build a Vekoma flyer, a B&M flyer, and a Volaire at the same park and I would still ride all three. Just because SFGAm built Shockwave doesn't mean people stopped riding Demon or found it useless to the park. I think both MM and CP have done and are doing something right even if they could/should be doing something different/better.Eric, on "falling short", it is about quality not quantity (in this case, extreme speed--height--drop, the end), so they're falling short as far as layout and an interesting design goes.
-Danny, who regrets to inform you that he will probably love it
*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 12/21/2002. ***
Yes you're getting to my point, but still slightly off. #16 on top of MF? No, because #16 is only L-TH-BR. This still makes MF popular even if #16 is taller. MF has a bunch of hills and turns. MF on top of Magnum? no, because magnum beats Millennium in airtime. Magnum on Gemini? no, because Gemini Races. I was stating that with X, the differences will make the next ride less of a new experiance. At least with #16, the only things it beats MF on is height and speed. MF has the turns and hills to beat #16. As for Lift vs. Launch, some people will prefer either one. Im simply saying that X would make the next ride less of a new experiance than #16 would.
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"Launching in 1,2,3..2..1"
-Wicked Twister Ride Op.
Corey, I'm *guessing* you mean between the tophat and the 'screw (heartline...whatever, lol). Do I win the aforementioned cookie, I already ate the one 'Moosh sent....and if so, did it fail to clear on the way up the spike, or on the way back....
But I was wondering if it had failed to even clear the tophat on the way out of the station....so many questions tonite!
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Carson Palmer wins Heisman, although not as close as predicted...;)
Final Score from College Park: Gary Williams 64, Billy Donovan 69 :)
From what some people are saying it seems like they think making X was a mistake because it is too good (offering such a variety of experiences), which if you'll forgive me for saying so does seem like quite a bizarre idea. I totally disagree with this idea that X detracts from the other coasters at MM. They all offer different experiences. And if they build a flying coaster in the future, this too would be a very different experience to X. Are you telling me most of the experience on SUF is encompassed within X? Also, I second the notion that only someone thinking as an enthusiast could possibly contemplate X making the other MM coasters 'worhtless' or 'redundant'. The GP would not possibly think the other coasters were pointless.
Oh, and on the actual initial topic of this thread, yes the criticism from some enthusiasts over Dragstar is most definitely unwarranted, although I think the short length of Dragster has more to do with money and space restraints as apposed to not wishing to overshadow MF and the others.
People are perfectly entitled to be disappointed with Dragster and express this opinion, but some of the hardcore persistant moaning and bashing (not particularly on this site) is pathetic. All the 'enthusiasts' who have monotinously and relentlessly whinged and bashed the ride should be banned from riding it!!!
*** This post was edited by Mr Rush on 12/22/2002. ***
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"Launching in 1,2,3..2..1"
-Wicked Twister Ride Op.
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