CP #16 Criticism Unwarranted
Proof? What do you want, memos? Let me go to my old files, see what I can find, and scan them in for you.
The Point is that Cedar Point places the importance of having a coaster open at the same level that Six Flags places importance on having a cash register open.
And for those interested, it appears that SFWoA's season is bringing layoffs to some of its full-time employees for Christmas.
This is where the confusion lies. Wahoo, by your statement of :
"Cedar Point places the importance of having a coaster open at the same level that Six Flags places importance on having a cash register open."
Do you mean just Cedar Point or Cedar Fair?
Do you mean all of the SF chain or just SFWOA?
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If you are referring to one park, that is not in any definition _MOST_. There are nineteen parks in the Six Flags chain. One or two does not equal most.
BTW, were you the elusive Lemon Chill guy who gave out the insider information on new rides?
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Ok, sorry for the confusion.
I think all of the Cedar Fair parks consider maintenance a high priority because that is instilled in them from the top down.
I don't think all of the Six Flags parks consider maintenance a high priority. Now, I am not talking about new rides that have bugs. I am talking about preventative maintenance as well as emergency repairs. I think that also is reflected from the top down.
Again, I did not say "most", I said "many". I can't comment on all of them.
Am I the Lemon Chill guy? No, but he was a close, personal friend. J/K.
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Umm... coasterdude, if it was 'sleeting' at 300 feet, why wasn't Power Tower closed too?
And also you never answered Jeffs question about what day you were there.
Edit: My bad, I did read the thread but I didn't pick those 2 questions I had been wondering...
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Knott's has an ok operating record, and better than SFMM, but it's not that great either. Ghostrider seems to have an almost daily habit of opening late in the afternoon, and Perilous Plunge and Xcelerator...forget it.
Then again they are open all year round. CP has one of the shortest operating seasons I've come across...
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Superman:The Escape(1997-2002) May he one day fly again.
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I really don't like the Bengals. Can't wait to ride CPR(Cedar Point's Revenge)
I was wondering if Cedar Point is more crowded in June than it is in July. I've only been there in August.
Forget MM's scream, CP is breaking some records here.
steelraptor -
Yes they are going to break some records, but I can definetely tell you which one will last longer ;)
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I was wondering how long it would take for someone to lay some CP/SFMM crap on us *yet* again for the 9,999,99th time. Thanks steel raptor!
So much for the interesting reading this thread had so far provided.
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Coasterr: You think I stayed up unusually late to post on a message board? Ha! FWIW, 1:30am is *early* for me. I was up until 4:30 studying for a final, thank you much. Who said I'm getting worked up over it? On the contrary, I think it's obviously the other way around. I simply posted an experience at CP, and instantly had fanboys jumping down my throat about it. Now you tell me whose getting worked up. What's "sad" is that people are attacked for even insinuating CP isn't the greatest place on the planet. What's the use of having a discussion if people aren't entitled to their own opinion?
You all can believe what you want about CP (the "beloved park") somehow having less problems than any other park, but that's not even close to true from my experience. It's the Busch and Universal parks of the world that know what they're doing, and how to treat their guests, not to mention parks like Holiday World. I do not have a bias toward Cedar Point, nor have I ever had one. The only bias I've ever seen is the belief that CP can do no wrong. And if you approach all other parks thinking that they're going to be worse than CP, then I feel sorry for the experiences you're going to miss out on. It's ridiculous that I could have inserted "Six Flags whatever" into my post and nobody would have had a problem with it, yet describe a 100% true story about CP and I must be lying. The other obvious bias is the bias against all SF parks simply because of the problems at some of them. For instance, how about SFGAdv having Chiller back up and running the *day after* it valleyed? That's pretty impressive. The same goes for any instance where a SF coaster has snapped a chain; I certainly can't think of any rides that were down longer than a week to fix a broken chain.
Eric 013, read through the thread again. I addressed the sleeting question, *and* answered Jeff's question *twice*. Why reply if you're not going to read everything that has been said?
-Nate
Cedar Point can do wrong, and as has been stated time after time by fanboys like myself, we're the harshest critics.
You're making the generalization that because of one day, a day where no one should've been outdoors for any reason other than punishment, that the park failed you. That's crap, and that's what we're getting at.
As for the broken chain thing at Six Flags parks, there's the double failure of Superman at SFA, the big flume at SFWOA, Chang at SFKK... all long closures.
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If you honestly believe CP can do no wrong, then that's sadder than anything I could even dream of posting. I think it's time for a lot of people to wake up. I'm done.
-Nate
At a SF park, it's rare when everything's open. At a CF park, it's rare when something is down.
I haven't been to every SF park in America, nor every CF park--but I've never been to a SF park where every ride was open. Never. There's always been at least one ride down all day and usually one coaster sporadically open if not down altogether.
In comparison, CF downtime has been very, very rare. The longest sustained period of downtime I can remember is after the MA Chaos collapse.
-'Playa
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DWeaver said:
Knott's has an ok operating record, and better than SFMM, but it's not that great either. Ghostrider seems to have an almost daily habit of opening late in the afternoon, and Perilous Plunge and Xcelerator...forget it.
Then again they are open all year round. CP has one of the shortest operating seasons I've come across...
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Whats that you say about Ghostrider? Of the 3 dozen times I've visited the park, I've seen Ghostrider have maybe 6 breakdowns, and once in Rehab. The good thing about the breakdowns is they're VERY MINOR, and just require a manager to come to the ride with a mechanic, fix a lap bar or whatever, and the ride opens in a half hour max. And I've never seen it open late, never once. I'd say the ride has 98-99% uptime. But then it goes through two 2 week rehabs per year, in september and then in March (is march right?). Xcelerator probably has 60%-80% uptime. Not rare to see the ride close down for a few hours every day. Perilous Plunge is inbetween Xcelerator and Ghostrider. IT IS VERY COMMON for it to open late, but it doesn't break down all that often once up and running. I'd say one 60 minute breakdown every day on average. But then you've got the extremely reliable rides at the park: the log ride, calico mine ride, bommerang, supreme scream (0% downtime, unless 2 tower operation is considered downtime), bigfoot rapids (Intamin's only reliable ride), kingdom of the dinosaurs. They do a very good job of keeping all the rides open except when they are being rehabed. All summer long, the only ride that was closed for an extended amount of time was wipeout, due to the accident at SFMW. You don't see the kind of downtime you would see at SFMM: Sandblasters, vertigo ("weather conditions LMAO"), monorail (hasn't operated in what, the last 3 years due to "weather conditions), flashback (hasn't operated at all since early april), and the sky tower (again, closed for at least 2 years due to "weather conditions" or "9/11 reasons").
At disneyland, ride rehabs can often take 5 months (matterhorn), and they are frequent due to many holiday makeovers. In the summer season though, they do probably get 96%+ uptime. In the winter its probably more like 90%
Coasterdude, if it werent for jeff, none of us would be able to post our opinions here.
Second, we understand that Cedar Point can do wrong, but it is some of our opinions that it doesnt do as much wrong as Six Flags. We are entitled to our opinion just as much as you are.
Finally, what do you mean by Cedar Point lying about the refund? When I went there (August 2002) they had the sign up: "Cedar Point will not issue any rain checks or refunds due to inclement weather." Maybe you should have read the signs before you paid the fee. Besides, you should have known on a day like that that rides were going to be closed whether Cedar Point said it or not. Im done.
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I personally have been to SFWOA, SFGAm, SFFT, SFOG and SFMW on several occations where every single ride was open. In the case of SFMW in particular, it's rare when they have anything closed. V2 was down for re-modification, and I experienced a couple breakdowns while in line for X-Flight and SFWOA, but these things were clearly beyond the park's control.
It's the larger parks in the chain(SFMM, SFGadv, SFOT) where I've seen more ride closures. CP has a sterling record, that's for sure, but I wouldn't say that for the other CF parks that I've been to. Cedar Point is a resort, much like Disney parks, and like Disney parks, would not benefit *at all* from multiple ride closures. They don't have room for it.
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coasterdude318 said:
It doesn't matter who should or shouldn't have been in the park - it was open, CP was collecting money, and rides were *not* open when they *should* have been according to signs, employees, etc.
Now, this is straight from Cedar Point's website ...
"During HalloWeekends, Cedar Point will be open Friday nights from 6 p.m. to midnight; Saturdays from noon to midnight; and Sundays from noon to 8 p.m. On Friday nights, only the Main Midway, Frontier Trail and a portion of Frontiertown will be open. The Millennium Force, Magnum, Raptor, WildCat, Iron Dragon and Wicked Twister roller coasters will all be in operation on Friday nights. (The entire park will be open on Saturdays and Sundays." If you want the link, its here
Now, you said you were there on a cold, rainy Friday night during Halloweekends. So first off, if you would have read the Halloweekends advertisements prior to going to the park, you would have realized that to start, you only would have six coasters, and according to Virtual Midway's definition of the Main Midway, Demon Drop, Calypso, Scrambler, Matterhorn, CP&LE, Sky Ride, the Carousel, Cedar Downs, and the 3 car rides available. Now, from working as a ScreamTeamer in the Disaster Transport building, I can only remember Matterhorn, a car ride, and the Carousel being open Friday night. So, since Matterhorn never has lines, they probably wouldn't have opened that if it was bad enough weather to keep the number of people in the park extremely low. Same deal goes for the car ride. Wildcat, again not really worth the operating costs, plus since it seems to creep over the tops of hills, I'd bet it has cold problems. Millennium you already stated was down due to understandable cold. So that leaves only 3 coasters (Maggie, Raptor, and WT) that "let you down" out of what, 68 rides? Most of which (by my calculations, 59) you should have known were going to be closed prior to entering the park! And if it was as bad as Jeff says (and by this point, I'm more inclined to trust his judgement as to the severity of the weather, more because you seem like an out-of-towner, and wouldn't know what was bad for the area and what wasn't) then I think closing high-speed coasters such as these three is a good idea, since running them in weather like that would be downright painful.
And if Cedar Point can do no wrong, then how come there's an entire website (GTTP) that's probably 60% people *****ing about things wrong with Cedar Point?
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coasterdude318 said:
It doesn't matter who should or shouldn't have been in the park - it was open, CP was collecting money, and rides were *not* open when they *should* have been according to signs, employees, etc. Additionally, CP lying about giving a refund is one heck of a low business move.
Now you're just making stuff up. Are you qualified to say when a ride is safe to operate? I think not. Was there any sign that said "We'll run the rides no matter what?" I think not. There were however signs and notices in brochures indicating that ride closures were possible due to weather and that there were no rainchecks. You went into the park on the worst weather day in at least the last three or four years, what did you expect?
They didn't lie about anything, because they clearly say, "No refunds or rainchecks."
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