Compare construction at CP and Xcelerator

Saturday, September 28, 2002 7:11 PM
Actually, the vertical construction started around March 9th, then they took those pieces down and began again around March 22nd. The ride's circuit was completed a month later, in late march, but they still had a lot of landscaping and station work, so the ride got delayed about 1 month.

But Knotts did all of the footers, drainage, and other utilities and such first.

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:05 PM

Opps, your right. I was thinking about the first vertical, instead of the *real* vertical construction. Thats all the more reason that it will be done when the park opens.

I Find it interesting that CP didn't wait to put a lot more footers in before they started vertical construction. The footers need to cure for about a month before they can be built on. I guess they will start pouring left and right when the season ends, and they don't have to worrie about guests. Too bad the web cam is in a crappy position to see ground work, and about everything other than the tower, and a few other elemants. Hopefully they put up another cam.

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 10:34 PM

As much as I want to believe that the thing is 400'+, I don't think Cedar Point would "patheticize" Millennium Force just three years after it debuted, by building something like you all claim they are doing. I'll give it 280' at the most. And if I'm wasted, 300'.

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Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:40 PM

...Then you're going to be smashed! :)

I think that they could be building the tower for word or mouth purposes as well as getting it done early.

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Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:51 PM
Well Krax, I was there yesterday, and that tower's about 180-200 feet tall right now and they already have supports on it for the "in" and "out" of the top hat ... if this things only going to be 280' tall, there will be about 30 feet at most of vertical, cause the pull out for the things go most of the way up whats currently up on the tower. And they have a lot of footers poured in a direct straight line with each side of the tower, but there really isn't that much that seems to be going on anywhere else near the tower to indicate that it will be going anywhere else but in two straight lines - something i hope will change soon.

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Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:21 PM
Pull out would be slightly reduced by having an upward sloping launch like on Xcelerator, whose pull out is only about 110 feet tall at most.
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Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:39 PM

Maybe it's just the camera perspective, but after looking at the pictures at http://www.virtualmidway.com/mystery/default_p.aspl from the 28th the tower doesn't look close to 200ft tall.

http://www.virtualmidway.com/mystery/attraction205.jpg

http://www.virtualmidway.com/mystery/attraction185.jpg

*** This post was edited by Katana on 9/30/2002. ***

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Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:40 PM
Wouldn't that suck if it's just a tophat? Launch...tophat...brakes. ;)

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Monday, September 30, 2002 5:47 AM
I was at the park on Saturday, and the tower isn't 200' tall yet. It does look like a top not. You can see the track supports leading up to (away from?) the tower and of course on the tower itself. These supports clearly show the path the track will follow going up and down the tower, and it is clearly a top hat course.
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Monday, September 30, 2002 1:49 PM

Remember that Jeff has said that the final product will put to rest a long-standing debate.

Since "fastest coaster" is not a long-standing debate, and "most coasters" goes back and forth all the time, then "tallest coaster" is the only one I can think of. If that's the case, it'll have to be more than 415 feet tall to beat S:TE and put that debate to rest.

At least that's what I'm hoping... ;)

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Monday, September 30, 2002 2:03 PM

Well from the actual construction that has been done (footers poured, track line in and out of the structure up) and Jeff's hints. My guess is this.

Height, somewhere around 430 ft, breaking the height record. I think the speed will be somewhere between 115 and 120mph breaking the speed record as well.

Jeff has given us some big clues over on GTTP about what it is we will be disappointed about with this ride. I think it is going to be launch, tophat, brakes. Fits the dragster theme also if this is the case. Should still be awesome but it certainly will give something for MANY enthusiasts to complain about.

If the launch, tophat, brake is the case I think it is for 3 reasons. Space (no CP doesnt have a space problem, but where they are putting it does have some space problems), money (imagine how large and costly an additional overbank or two would be considering the probable size of the tophat, not to mention the amount of space they would take up in a very small corridor) and lastly,

It wont overshadow MF completely. MF will still be the biggest coaster considering height and length in the park. This ride will get the attention by the general public and the press though for the being the tallest and fastest. Makes sense to me.

I would love more elements, but look at it this way. Takes away some of the line for MF. The only problem I have is waiting 2 hours for a 20 second ride!! LOL Even with the limited elements it should still be quite a rush! Can't wait!

*** This post was edited by CPTwister on 9/30/2002. ***

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Monday, September 30, 2002 2:33 PM

What a shame to be braked from 120mph to 0!

I hope they will put in at least one element aside from the top hat. Maybe a huge overbanked spiral.

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Monday, September 30, 2002 4:39 PM

I doubt that this ride will be launch, tophat, then brakes. I just don't see the ride wasting that much speed on just a top hat. I know Jeff has said there will be a "disappointment" but I highly doubt this is it. It's just not something that I see the park doing. To be honest, I see that as a waste, but that's just my opinion.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2002 7:09 AM
I can see the top hat forming now. I will be going to The Point Saturday, so I will finally be able to see this thing first hand. I just can't wait.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2002 7:16 AM

Do you guys really understand the definition of a troll?

Someone put a constructive idea out in a topic on the forums, and a bunch of people immediately came and said "You're stupid and you're wrong and this is why." THAT is trolling, my friends. So who are the real trolls here?

Edit: Maybe I should clarify with an example I just thought of. Say somebody posts a thread on another forum about how they went to the Tool concert and it was awesome. The first post in the thread is something like "Tool sucks and you're dumb for liking them." THAT person is the troll, obviously.

-Natalie
Who takes no sides on the CP issue, and doesn't really care.

*** This post was edited by Natalie on 10/1/2002. ***

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Tuesday, October 1, 2002 7:25 AM

Well, when you launch at those speeds...(even "slow" speeds like H:XLC, Xcelerator, lol) even IF there's some trackage after the tophat, you're MOVING pretty fast coming down that hill....a few extra twists and turns won't make much of a difference in overall ride time, as a train going 100 mph EATS up the trackage...

bill, thinking that 45-50 seconds of ride time is probably MAX...

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Tuesday, October 1, 2002 8:13 AM

Natalie, geez, thanks for trolling on something totally not on the issue at hand. My post did not respond with that tone at all.

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*** This post was edited by MagnumForce on 10/1/2002. ***

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Tuesday, October 1, 2002 8:35 AM

this looks like it's been addressed already, but not much response...

I haven't visited the construction site, but looking at the photos...doesn't the tower look too narrow to have a tophat on it? If it's going to be 400+ feet, that's going to be a really sharp-pointy tophat if it's like Xcelerator. Just my opin.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2002 8:40 AM
It's a lot bigger then it looks in the photos. I would say it is close to 75-100 feet across. Each section is wider then tall and they are about 60 feet tall. Track supports go up both sides of the tower. I don't think it is too narrow. Look at how narrow the tower of Hypersonic is.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2002 9:54 AM

CobraRoller said:

I doubt that this ride will be launch, tophat, then brakes. I just don't see the ride wasting that much speed on just a top hat. I know Jeff has said there will be a "disappointment" but I highly doubt this is it. It's just not something that I see the park doing. To be honest, I see that as a waste, but that's just my opinion.



That sure sounds like a dissapointment to me...

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