Cedar Point's Blog is teasing us!

500! 500! 500! All this talk of a 500-foot-coaster is driving me crazy...esp. since the park HAS NOT EVEN open for the 2006 season, yet.

As far as the "attraction", I would personally like to see the Park go in a different direction and break the inversion record. I believe it is still at 10 (please correct me if I am wrong), but would love to see a nice B/M Floorless with something like 13 inversion. Cedar Point always builds taller and faster...why not go for inversions this time around?

-M.- *** Edited 3/6/2006 5:19:14 AM UTC by olympic10086***

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Thom25 said:
Well, given CPs history, a prototype, even from B&M is unlikely imo. A dual flyer may require an early start of 16 months.

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Listen to Coasterbuzz Podcast #7. Mr. Kinzel states that they are disappointed in the result of TTD's constant downtime, but they are not discouraged from making risky decisions. Magnum and MF wouldn't be here if it weren't for them taking a risk with new technology and new experiences. The guy is very inspiring.

When it comes to building hype and planning rides at CP, they know exactly what they're doing. They've yet to make any of us disappointed. TTD was a disappointment after it opened for some, but not during construction.

By no means am I saying a 500+ ride is coming. I just think that would look ugly back there. Enough with the super tall rides. They've done everything they could with that. I think something unique is on its way here and that's where a 4D comes to mind, this is still a long shot though. B&M has done a lot of work with CF lately and has yet to fail with any project they've done (every B&M is a crowd pleaser). The reliability factor along with pushing some limits screams B&M, but I'm willing to wait this one out and see for myself when that first piece of track arrives in the good ol' Soak City parking lot. *** Edited 3/6/2006 5:49:36 AM UTC by gomez***

Olympic, since no one knows what the ride will be, why not go for the gold with all three (height, speed, and most inversions).

Gomez,if your going to quote me, at least keep it in context (please). IMO height is not risky, just new, especially when you use proven technology as is on Magnum, while MF was the first cable and one of the first with magnetic brakes. Both rides had down time their first season, but nothing like TTD.

While it is possible something truely unique could be built, and the B&M relationship is strong with CP, their flyers have had significant problems and down time. I also don't agree that EVERY B&M is a crowd pleaser given Mantis' history. The trim brake on the first drop does nothing for me. And finally, I think given the WWL location, having a HUGE ride that can be seen from the causeway as you approach the park would be inspirirng.

I will never forget my first trip to CP in 1989 from Boston and seeing Magnum miles away as I drove along the lake to CP. Truely scary and inspriring at the same time. Like you, can't wait to see some track arrive.

Tom

Nah, I be they go all out and break as many as they can...tallest, fastest, most inversions, largest loop, heighest inversion, longest.

I think all of those things would warrant them building 14 months in advance....:)

I haven't seen photos of the current inversion record breaker. Do they have seat belts on that ride? If so, are there seat belt buckles on the OTSRs similar to how Wicked Twister's are set up?

CP, I couldn't agree more - especially when you consider the proposed name "Maverick." It could easily be the tallest looper rather than the tallest coaster, though I'd like it to capture both.

I suspect the OTSR would be similar to SR or KK, which would solve a host of issues, IF it were an Intamin. At this point though, B&M and S&S are still viable candidates, so who knows.

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Pink Floyd Fanatic said:
Why does everyone rules out a woodie just because the footers are large? Hades has a HUGE footer for a large portion of the lifthill.

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In all my years of looking at coasters being built, there's not a coaster that i know, that has a footer that huge...SOB would be the biggest, and the footers on that coaster are no where as big as the one up at CP that we all have seen on their website.

I also would like to point out that the Footer is not exposed all the way, as you can see, there is dirt still covering a portion of the footer.

Since this has shown up, I'm leaning more towards a Floorless, or a 4D now being built at CP

They've yet to make any of us disappointed.

Not so, otherwise I would have rushed from Los Angeles to Sandusky to ride Wicked Twister, MaXair, and Dragster. Nothing CP has added since Millie has been attractive to me, and I know I'm not alone.

Well what ever it is, I hope they make it a racing dueling something. Maverick: Quick Draw

CP needs something that EATS up the lines and is great. Gemini anyone? I don't know of any dueling coasters around this area. There are some racers but nothing really dueling.

I would love to see some dueling B&M ride, or even better a twisted dueling Intamin ride like Superman. *** Edited 3/6/2006 3:15:41 PM UTC by RollerCoasterGod***

Reliable coasters also eat up lines. Tell me again why people are even contemplating Intamin?

I would contemplate Intamin because I know they can make good rides (I would prefer B&M or Gravity Group though.) The biggest thing with CP is yes, they have some Intamin rides, but we all know what people think about them...which is why I would CP leaning towards another company. B&M and Gravity Group seem VERY reliable lately. Intamin has some great rides, it's just that they have such a vast spectrum of what they can do, have done, and will do. I think there are more great Intamin's then bad ones. It's just that obviously the bad ones are getting more bad press right now.

[sarcasm]

Geeze, I cant believe anyone is still debating about this, doesnt everyone understand its going to be the worlds biggest one of these:

http://www.moserrides.com/maverick31.htm

It's so obvious...

[/end sarcasm] *** Edited 3/6/2006 8:51:29 PM UTC by P18***

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P18 said:
Geeze, I cant believe anyone is still debating about this, doesnt everyone understand its going to be the worlds biggest one of these:

http://www.moserrides.com/maverick31.htm

It's so obvious...

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It's so obvious that you are wrong P18

I'm sure you know they have footers already in place for a COASTER!!!

MF and RoS are very reliable Intamin rides. They do exist! And I am sure whatever Maverick turns out to be - reliability will be high on CP's list of must haves.

Did anone see how big the footer is under the lifthill of Hades? It's MUCH bigger than that footer in the CP Blog and is used for many supports instead of one. I could be way wrong but I still think a woodie is possible.

Ok, so hear's a thought. Not saying it's likely, or even remotely likely, but a big theme here is

A. Racing/deuling stuff

and

B. Woooden stuff

so here's B&M getting mentioned with flyers/4D's, here's Intamin getting mentioned for...well...everything under the sun, and there's Gravity Group, because, well, Gravity Group is frickin' awsome, and should be mentioned whenever possible.

*That* being said, you put the words racing, deuling, and/or woodie in the same sentance and *my* first thought is not any of the above, but.......GCI. The company seems seriously hot right now, but then again, woodies in general seem pretty hot right now. Discuss.

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Mamoosh said:
They've yet to make any of us disappointed.

Not so, otherwise I would have rushed from Los Angeles to Sandusky to ride Wicked Twister, MaXair, and Dragster. Nothing CP has added since Millie has been attractive to me, and I know I'm not alone.

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No, your not.

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Thom25 said:

Gomez,if your going to quote me, at least keep it in context (please). IMO height is not risky, just new, especially when you use proven technology as is on Magnum, while MF was the first cable and one of the first with magnetic brakes. Both rides had down time their first season, but nothing like TTD.

Tom

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Did you listen to the Podcast? I was just repeating what Mr. Kinzel said about TTD and taking risk. Call up him and tell him to stick to the context.

Every new coaster put in is a risk. Especially when it is bigger than every ride before it. When MF and TTD were annouced, there were Q&A interviews posted. One of the questions were, "How much bigger can rides be?". Answer, "We can continue building bigger until the people tell us they don't want them." Building higher is a risk. You make a 500 foot ride that has 25 inversions with proven technology, but the trick is to get people on it. I wouldn't want to take that risk with my money, if I were a park owner.

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Thom25 said:
I also don't agree that EVERY B&M is a crowd pleaser given Mantis' history. The trim brake on the first drop does nothing for me.

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Have you stood in line for Mantis lately. It's over an hour every day during peak season. That's a sign that it is a crowd pleaser. I sure hope this is sticking to the context as well.

*** Edited 3/6/2006 10:37:52 PM UTC by gomez***

"We can continue building bigger until the people tell us they don't want them."

Is the reduction in gate prices an indication that THAT message has been delivered? ;)

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gomez said:

Have you stood in line for Mantis lately. It's over an hour every day during peak season. That's a sign that it is a crowd pleaser.

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No, that has more to do with it having poor capacity. It only runs two trains now, and they still stack sometimes.

That footer, and the anchoring bolts sticking out of it are massive. I'm assuming that both "tarped" anchor bolt sections are on the same footer. Judging by the form lines left on the (depth) sides of the footers and the shovel marks left in the dirt on top of it, I'd say that it's at least 32' x 8'x 4' or 40'x 10' x 5'. The middle dimension is pretty much just a conservative guess though, because who knows how far it extends back into the dirt-covered area.

Just how many wooden coasters do you know of that have a footer with anchor bolts in a circular configuration with a diameter of 4'-5'?

I think Dragster's tower anchor bolts were configured at about 3.5' in diameter.

*** Edited 3/6/2006 11:55:32 PM UTC by CPgenius***

(Quote) by CPgenius: Just home many wooden coasters do you know of that have a footer with anchor boths in a circular configuration with a diameter of 4'-5'?

And the Answer is.......NONE