Cedar Point's Blog is teasing us!

I know this IS CoasterBuzz, but I will enjoy whatever they decided to build. The people who chose CP's new ride know way more than we do about what the park needs. Anticappointment will be the only outcome for all of you size queens.

Stupid Screamscape. That's why everyone thinks it is going to be 555+.

I think that a launched lift hill would be fun like on Hulk, especially on a very tall coaster, and it would save a lot of time getting to the top. But it's not going to be 500 feet tall so why am I talking about it?

(I too keep coming back to this topic to see if anything logical has been posted.)

Edit-Damned dyslexia. *** Edited 3/26/2006 4:53:38 AM UTC by dexter***

^^^Its not screamscape, its just the nature of some enthusiasts for whatever reason. Again, I point to the person who seriously suggested that Holiday World was getting deuling inverted coasters a la Deuling Dragons a couple of years back.

Yea but you got to expect more illogical thinking because it is CP after all (record breaking park). It's not Holiday World. ;)

Two points:
1) Doesn't Hulk have a launched lift hill?

2) Moosh, the reason some of us are size queens (personal preferances aside), is because CP has been driving the size queen bus. MF at 310 wasn't big enough for them so three (3) years later, TTD was born at 420 (when many were saying it wouldn't happen).

Connecting the dots (lift heights) isn't that tough when CP is the park in question.

Tom

So all of the rides except Magnum, MF, or TTD just don't matter, then?

Size doesn't matter... tell that to the 1998 USA bomb Godzilla.

It's not the size, it's the quality. Not to mention that they also need a LOT of room for all the velocity that the coaster would create after traversing down a 500' drop. Think LOGICALLY... and think WHO would build such a contraption. Intamin? I doubt they're going back to them for another tall coaster.

What does the park need that will seperate them from the rest of the gang... something that's clearly marketable and has a capacity for guests to prevent a large wait (and therefore, unhappy guests)... It's something along the lines of a B&M flyer, a wooden coaster with steel frame (of which the park doesn't have yet), Arrow 4D, B&M dive machine, or maybe even a new-era Vekoma?

They're not into concepts so as much as a modification on a recent-style coaster... so something TOTALLY new is pretty much out of the question. However, if another park already bulit a smaller model of a new style coaster, CP may use that as a blue-print & just make it bigger, faster, and better.

A lift hill at 500', unless it's very very steep... whether be launched or elevator or chain... would take a LOT of straight land. Although there's a number of acres available on that parcel of land, I don't think they have that much to accomidate enough for a long straight-a-way for the lift-hill, especially if your station is where the old WWL station is going to be possibly located.

So this doesn't have alot to do with this topic, but in that History channel video about Kingda Ka, that was given in a link on the SF's website, did anybody notice that it said MF opened in 1999? I'm sure this has been posted elsewhere... still interesting

Thom25 said: Connecting the dots (lift heights) isn't that tough when CP is the park in question.

Well sure a coaster taller than 420 makes sense if you're only connecting the dots from Raptor to Dragster [and forgetting about Wicket Twister and Woodstock Express]. Look at the bigger picture:

Year / Height in Feet / Coaster

1892 / 25 / Switchback
1902 / 46 / 3-way Figure
1908 / 22 / Dip the Dips
1910 / 46 / Racer
1918 / 75 / High Frolics
1964 / 78 / Blue Streak
1969 / 48 / Cedar Creek Mine Ride
1976 / 85 / Corkscrew
1978 / 125 / Gemini
1979 / 50 / Wildcat
1979 / 19 / Jr. Gemini
1985 / 63 / Disaster Transort
1987 / 76 / Iron Dragon
1989 / 205 / Magnum XL200
1991 / 161 / Mean Streak
1994 / 137 / Raptor
1996 / 145 / Mantis
1999 / 43 / Woodstock
2000 / 310 / Millennium Force
2002 / 215 / WickedTwister
2003 / 420 / Top Thrill

This list from rcdb.com shows that even after Magnum -- the coaster that is said to have started the last golden age -- the next FOUR coasters they built were all SHORTER in height. The next THREE coasters after Gemini were shorter, too.

And notice that every few years the throw in a family/kiddie coaster? How do you know 2007 isn't the year for that?

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I want to see 500 footers.

There's already half a dozen or so footers in place... and I'm sure there WILL be 500 footers in place by the time this coaster goes up, however big or small they may be.

Best point made so far in this thread Moosh!

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Mamoosh said:
And notice that every few years the throw in a family/kiddie coaster? How do you know 2007 isn't the year for that?

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One thing you can't see is how much space is being used up. They are pushing against every boarder they have for the plot. Quite a bit of space will be used. It's not going to have the largest ride area, but it's going to be close to what Mean Streak sits on. Millennium Force, Top Thrill Dragsters, and Magnum have somewhat longer areas but the new ride will actually have nearly the same ground area.

If they are going to build a known design, I could see a Flyer, Floorless, or a 4-d coaster going in. There are many possibilities for a new design or twist to a known design. I have a feeling that it will be a 4-d coaster. Even if that is not the case, it's going to be a substantial ride. Top Thrill Dragsters hadn't any cement poured at this time in 2002. This new ride already has many footings well on their way to completion.

Steel Monsters - you're right...but you're also assuming that all the land they cleared is for just one attraction. A new themed area with a coaster [or two], store, restaurant, bathroom, and a flat or two makes MUCH more business sense then one large coaster.

My God...you guys still aren't getting it.

What... do you need to be lead by the hand? ;)

I'm almost starting to believe the "500ft" thing is just a ploy to keep people from seeing what is becoming fairly obvious.

Okay... what is obvious DWeaver?

It's obvious that no matter what is said here, people will believe what they want to.

I just can't believe some actually want to see a 500ft coaster built at CP in 2007. Are people really stopping and thinking about what they're asking? Don't worry, I haven't been told any specifics of this new "attraction". But I have figured out the direction the park is heading in, and it ain't 500ft! LOL

(shakes head) *** Edited 3/28/2006 8:33:34 AM UTC by DWeaver***

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DawgByte II said:
There's already half a dozen or so footers in place...

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Half a dozen!? Surely, you jest!

I guess the addendum of "or so" has taken on an entirely new meaning...

They could build a wild mouse 70-75 feet tall, claim that as the world's largest wild mouse and still be a "family" coaster.

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DWeaver said:

I just can't believe some actually want to see a 500ft coaster built at CP in 2007.

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I cannot believe it either. It seems as if some people think we've exasperated all of the exciting ride layouts & designs that are *gasp* shorter than 500'.

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Mamoosh said:
Steel Monsters - you're right...but you're also assuming that all the land they cleared is for just one attraction.

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You're making your own assumptions too. :)

(Edited a few details out) *** Edited 3/28/2006 2:32:43 PM UTC by SteelMonsters***