Cedar Point, The Best?
Well, this thread is upsetting. All he did was state some opinions on CP its turned into a lot of people bashing both IOA and CP. Im sure just cause he stated something about his trip this year to CP doesnt mean he hates the park, hes just bummed cause his only trip to the park this year he didnt get to ride the new ride. Im sure anyone that happens to will be disappointed. Then, everyone thinks he is talking bad about CP so they start telling him hes wrong and all that.
People need to stop bickering about stupid things like this and not freak out over someone's opinion.
BTW IOArules, sorry you didnt enjoy your CP trip as much as you have others. Im sure next time will be much better.
Some people need to read posts through before whining.
My point in noting just some (not all) of my IOA mishaps I experienced was the point that things go wrong everywhere yet many of us don't go throwing tantrums.
CoastaPlaya said:
Notice how IOARules got his panties in a twist when someone brought up the crap that happens at his local park...but expects others to salute him when he does the same about another.
And I didn't even go into the things that went wrong it until I noted how he started defending his little 'home park'.
Don't get mad at people for defending a park they like if you're going to do the exact same thing. That's the highest form of hypocrisy.
-'Playa
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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 6/19/2002. ***
This is not a "my park is better" post, just some facts...
IOARules, you said..
We were told MF, WT, Raptor, Mantis, and Power Tower would be open.
That simply is a lie. Never, EVER has anything had an ERT other than MF/WT...with the exception of Coastermania. I know for a fact that PT-U/D hasn't had any ERT's at all this year, for anything, other than CM.
WT and Chaos did have serious problems, and they were working at their best speed to get the rides back up safely. Everything's going now, and if there's ever a psychic that can tell parks when the rides are going to go down mechanically...I'm sure CP will hire that person in a heartbeat.
I'm sorry you feel the way you do about the situation, but it's not easy, when MF goes down just before opening for ERT, to get staff onto another ride or two to make up for it...most of the other ride ops for other rides are just waking up or hitting the showers at this point in the morning.
Alan--PTC02
For those of you thinking some people are being too hard on IOArules for his opinoin, it's not simply his opinion, but the way it was stated. When someone bashes a park, ANY park, they are setting themselves up for a pounding. But when your reasoning is simply because two rides were down and he didn't see maintenance crawling all over them, then it sounds petulant.
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I'd rather die living than live like I'm dead
We live 2 hours from CP and we go to Hershey. In our opinion, it is the best all around park on this side of the country, including CP. Strong collection of coasters that don't beat you up, maintained flat rides (very few if any rides have been removed from Hershey over the last 20 years), family attractions such as the zoo and chocolate world, VERY clean grounds, great ride operations, and VERY reasonable pricing compare to the greedy corporate giants. Their season pass includes free parking at the park, and discounts on their already-lower-than-average concession prices. The previous poster who called Hershey a "small" park has no conception of size, the park is not much smaller than CP if any.
I have to wonder exactly who rated Cedar Point #1 and on what standards. Coaster count must have a lot to do with it. The $3.00 bottle of water at Cedar Point is flat out raping the patrons. That will eventually catch up to them.
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Playa........I'll bet if IOARules didn't have that name, you wouldn't have said anything negative about IOA. Now you've gone and shown yourself to be no less petulant-sounding than he was about CP. Plus, although I've never been to CP, I have been to IOA on a few occasions (living in Florida as I do) and I think it's one of the more stellar corporate theme parks out there, personally. Sorry if every time you seem to go things always go wrong somehow, but I know the majority of people I've talked to don't share that opinion.
Enough said..........
Lallen said:
Sorry if every time you seem to go things always go wrong somehow, but I know the majority of people I've talked to don't share that opinion.
The same can be said about Cedar Point in regards to IOArule's original thought.
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*** This post was edited by Gemini on 6/19/2002. ***
What awards has CP won? Go visit them and see for yourself. That's one hell of a resume, and frankly it's well deserved.
The fact is, some people won't like the park, some people won't like it for the same reason they don't like Microsoft (because it's fashionable ;)). In the end, there's a reason that many of us in Northeast Ohio are so crazy about this park (in light of the fact we had more than one to choose from).I'll give you a hint... it has very little to do with the actual rides.
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"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"
I'll throw in my two cents here and jump on the "Defend CP" bandwagon ...
The reason that everyone jumps to CP's defense, yet bashes SF parks and others at the first instance of something going bad is that there is that good a service level at the park. SFWoA had two, count em, two bathrooms the first year it was open - plus they kept closing rides with no indication of when they would be open. When I asked employees for a time estimate, they just shrugged and gave me this "get out of my face" look. When WT went down when I was at CP (I think it may have been the first day of all this "part" problem) the employee was very kind and talkative. She told me that there was a problem that they'd know more about in an hour and she said to check back. I went to ride Raptor and came back and she not only recognized me again, but told me that it would be down the rest of the day. She went on to ask if I was having fun at the rest of the park which I was, and it was very refreshing to hear someone care about whether or not, in this huge mass of humanity in this park, I personally was having fun. This kind of personal service, the guys lookin for celebratory screams on Raptor and Mantis, the guys trying to make Corkscrew and Iron Dragon the self proclaimed "best rides in the park", this is the kind of stuff that makes CP unique, that makes people so loyal to it, that makes us all jump up to defend it. Maybe in your one experience you didn't get this kind of service, bad days happen, as has been said many times, but I figured I'd give you my example of why I have that kind of loyalty to CP - its in the customer service. You're a person at CP, not just a walking open wallet (except at the food stands, but that's to be expected!)
And on another subject, if you want a park that openly displays what rides will be closed for sure that day before you even enter the park, on Kennywood Boulevard in West Mifflin, PA you can get in for only $29, eat the best fries in the world for less than $5 and experience one of the best amusement park atmospheres in the country ... and know what rides are closed before you go in!
Lallen said:
Playa........I'll bet if IOARules didn't have that name, you wouldn't have said anything negative about IOA. Now you've gone and shown yourself to be no less petulant-sounding than he was about CP. Plus, although I've never been to CP, I have been to IOA on a few occasions.....
Negative? I just reported some of the many, many things that went wrong from 3/24 - 3/29 during the five days I was there. That wasn't negative....that was the truth.
And frankly, if anyone had the right to complain about visiting from a distance, it's me. Take IOARules travel distance to CP and add 700 miles or so. Edit: No, he lives in ATL, add a thousand miles. That's how far I had to go...with two kids who scream in each others faces just for fun (I'm not kidding).
While we're at it, let's squash any talk of the 'Playa being a fanboy....
-CP is not even my favorite CF park (that would be DP) and I've said so, even on GTTP
-My kids would rate CP third out of the three major Ohio parks...and for them, I wholeheartedly agree. The other parks have more to offer them
-My wife flat out hates CP and will probably never return. I fully respect her opinion and reasons why
-MF is not my #1 coaster (at least since March) and doesn't even have my favorite drop...yes, you heard correctly
The point is, I gave IOA--with all of its myriad problems handling Spring Break crowds and keeping things running--the benefit of the doubt. I didn't write off the whole park because things went wrong.
If that's what IOARules chooses to do, then he fully deserves to get verbally slapped around like a rag doll. And like I said before, I waited to see how he'd react to anyone complaining about IOA before lowering the boom.
-Uncle Mister 'Playa Daddy Sir (to you)
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 6/19/2002. ***
I have a question: What's the point of this thread? Everyone has an opinion about every park. You'll like some and you'll hate some. Sometimes you'll go to a park and have a good time and sometimes you won't.
Every park is going to have good days and bad days. Every park!
Every coaster will have days it runs great and days it doesn't run at all. We have to deal with that.
I don't go to parks because of awards or because people say it's #1. I'm sure most of the parks I've been to haven't won any awards and probably never will but I'll go back because I had fun. And isn't that why we all go to parks. If you have fun, you go back. If you don't have fun, you don't go back. Or maybe you go back and give the park one more chance and then make a final decision.
To IOARules: I'm sorry you had a bad time at CP. I don't know how I would have felt in your position because I obviously wasn't there to experience what actually happened and deal with it first hand. Maybe in the future you can see fit to give CP another chance. Maybe you'll have a better time. Maybe not.
I thought the point of CoasterBuzz was to have fun talking about coasters and parks. All that's going on here is a lot of bashing and criticizing.
Please people, calm down and have Fun!
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
I might also add that the employees treat guests with the same respect they are given. I've seen some younger people approach employees with a demanding attitude and have been met with cool answers. But anyone who approaches an employee with a polite question gets treated with politness in return.
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I'd rather die living than live like I'm dead
Someone always has to drop in an "amen" when they're in the minority.
I agreed from the start that there was little point to this thread, but knowing what would come out of it I figured it doesn't hurt to hash it out from time to time.
But I think there is a clear answer to the "question" stated in the topic title... how does Cedar Point get the title, "The Best?" I think we've answered it by indicating that one person's bad day hardly negates a more predominant opinion.
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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"
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Happy Coastering!
Sean
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"Have fun stormin' the castle!"
Of course all parks have their bad days and I've always had a lot of fun visiting the park. We used to visit once a year from around '91 to '95, but stopped until the '99 season. Once that rolled around, I had heard about all these "Best" awards and world records the park had, so this sounded like the "perfect" park and I would have the best time ever. Well, sure it was fun, but at the time I couldn't get the comparisons of CP to my home park out of my head. It seemed that every comparible coaster was better at my park and just a little tamed down or more rough here.
Magnum and Raptor were top-notch quality coasters though, so these would be the ones I would still want to make return trips for. Since then, I've tried to take the park on from a different perspective knowing its not this park or that. I do like it a lot more now and Wildcat, Blue Streak, and Disaster Transport are a few of my favorites as well.
I do like theme parks better than plain amusement parks, so that's where I think I see CP a little lower than some of my favorites like DCA, DL, BGT, BGW, MGM, MK, PKI, SFGAm, SFoG, etc. which rarely have neverending back and forth queue lines without theme or something to keep you constantly amused from the theming. Sure, seeing MF and Raptor flying overhead are cool, but the overexposure on Discovery and Travel Channel make them less interesting since I've seen them so much before.
Like I said, CP undoubtably runs one of the best businesses I've ever seen and they really do get a lot of people back since they have an excellent variety of rides, enthusiastic staff, and a great capacity. But to me, those are all reasons I love the themers above as well. They just have even more for me personally that I enjoy doing. I hope that explains some of my thoughts on the park and that I really do like it a lot for what it is.
If that's what IOARules chooses to do, then he fully deserves to get verbally slapped around like a rag doll.
So hold on, let me get this straight, for writing a small report about my two days at Cedar Point, asking how the park can be called the best, I deserve to get bashed? Yea, that sure makes a lot of sense.
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"This time I think ... I think it's ... it's going to work!" - Dr.Bruce Banner
"I just reported some of the many, many things that went wrong from 3/24 - 3/29 during the five days I was there. That wasn't negative....that was the truth."
You know, that's funny. I was there the same week as you and experienced none of what you did. In fact, my longest wait for Duelling Dragons was 15 minutes. The rest of the rides had longer waits, and it was 90 degrees out, but the mist fans were functioning.
Jeff said:
Someone always has to drop in an "amen" when they're in the minority.
I agreed from the start that there was little point to this thread, but knowing what would come out of it I figured it doesn't hurt to hash it out from time to time.
But I think there is a clear answer to the "question" stated in the topic title... how does Cedar Point get the title, "The Best?" I think we've answered it by indicating that one person's bad day hardly negates a more predominant opinion.
OK, Jeff now you confused me. If you "agreed from the start there was little point to this thread" why allow it?
And what needs to be hashed out from time-to-time? That CP is the best? OK, maybe it is, if we use the democratic method of the most votes win. But then let's hash out what's the best coaster. Ooops, wait a minute. "best..., favorite..., top 10.." are not allowed on CB. My original comments should have included this point (small brain cramp). I really dislike "best/worst" threads and I'm very surprised this has gone on as long as it has given CB's Terms of Service". Would it have lasted this long if it someone had asked "Should SFMM be the Best?". I'm betting not.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
*** This post was edited by DEK on 6/19/2002. ***
Closed topic.
