Cedar Point-Construction?

Isn't one of them going in at Dorney Park?

Dorney has an 8 person Screaming Swing so I doubt they are getting the 40 person model.

I believe it was Kennywood that has announced the 40 person version of a Screaming Swing for next season. *** Edited 7/20/2005 1:36:28 PM UTC by dragonoffrost***

This whole multiple coaster type thing is boring. A ride doesn't need to be lay down or stand up to be unique or thrilling. After riding a B&M flier, I could honestly say it was one of the least unique or thrilling coasters I have ever been on. Consider that the majority of the star coasters of Cedar Point are not made to fit into categories. While Six Flags parks were getting Superman fliers, Cedar Point got Top Thrill Dragster, the most powerful coaster in the world. Which do you prefer? I think Cedar Point puts their balance between marketing and ride quality when they decide what to build. I honestly don't see how a flier would be a better fit for either category than a floorless coaster.

When people suggest Cedar Point should tear down classics like Demon Drop, they start making me question what they mean by having multiple ride categories. I still think the initial feeling on Demon Drop is better than Power Tower. It's a unique ride that takes up little space.

What is not marketable about a flying coaster? It is one thing man has always wanted to do... FLY! And it is also unique in the fact that they are really only touching the tip of what a flyer could do with S:UF.

I think too many people rode S:UF and said the pretzel loop is good but the rest sucks so they got jaded on the flying coaster idea. Let B&M do some rethinking on layout and see where they take it then make an opinion. B&M has built 5 flying coasters in the world while building 29 (23 if take out the 6 clone B:TR's) inverts and 11 Floorless coasters(per RCDB). so let them make a few more and then let's see what people think. A lot of things can be done to improve the experience of a flyer and I for one would like to see more built.

That statement doesn't even touch Vekoma who also makes flying coasters with a better layout but a worse harness. Combine the layout of a Vekoma with the harness of the B&M and maybe through in the pretzel loop for an added kick. Oh and make it start and end like a B&M. Now what do you have? I say a better coaster. *** Edited 7/20/2005 2:23:09 PM UTC by dragonoffrost***

"I believe it was Kennywood that has announced the 40 person version of a Screaming Swing for next season."

Which still leaves one left yet to be announced, meaning, it could still be CP.

I was thinking maybe Jason had dorney and kennywood confused. But yes maybe CP is getting the other one.

According to another thread the second 40 person Screaming Swing could be going to Valleyfair.

Apollo Andy,

Ahhh, now I recall the concept you are talking about. I believe it might have been Gerstlauer. I do remember the animation for it, I'll see if I can find it.

Nevermind. The horizontal-vertical lift is a feature of Vekoma's Thrill Lift coaster, which is a variation on the Tilt Coaster. More informatio can be found here:

http://www.vekoma.com/

If the correct site does not appear, go to Rides, followed by Thrill and Mega Coasters, and then Thrill Lift at the bottom of the ride list at the left side of the page. *** Edited 7/20/2005 9:20:47 PM UTC by CoasterKrazy***

There are more markings on the frontier trail near the log cabins across from the leather shop.

There are white arrows and more blue and orange lines.

Could the new ride be built in the boneyard between Mantis and Snake River Falls?

Add in the un-used portion of Millennium Island and let's have a party! :)

My guess is CP will get another coaster for 06 and GL will get a new coaster for 07.

My guess is CP will get another coaster for 06 and GL will get a new coaster for 07.

I guess I'm the only one on the planet that thinks CP has enough coasters already. I just think there's enough coasters in this park already and if a anybody that goes to the park and leaves saying, "gee I sure wish they had more roller coasters here!" then there really hard to satisfy. I'm more inclined to vote in favor of giant flat rides or some other S&S goodnes that could liven up some of the dead areas of the park. Just think what kind of flats and other rides could have been bought with the money TTD cost the park. (okay there, I said it... I'm not the biggest Dragster fan! Sue me!) Sure it would be cool to see a well-built wooden coaster somewhere in the park that wouldn't beat you to peices *cough MS cough* But I'd rather ride something that delivers thrills like maXair.

On a small sidenote, the major theme park to the south of CP is "getting it" with the family oriented rides and laying off the coaster record. They're pulling in business that could possibly be slipping thru CP's fingers because not everybody in a family wants to ride things like MF or TTD. Just a thought. :)

Cedar "Counter" Point, is there an echo in here?

And, Joey, though I can't speak for everyone, I do know that my cousins who live south of Columbus drive about 3 hours to go to CP. It would only take them just over an hour to get to PKI, but they'd rather come to CP because of the roller coasters.

Not everyone likes the BIG coasters but lets face it, thats what pulls in the crowds. Go to any given park and look at what has the longest lines, it will be the biggest coasters. I would love to see some great new flats, but I normally don't ride many flats. I like Chaos', Tops spins, Frisbees & Claws and that is about it. A new coaster will pull me in quicker than any new flat will. I can bet that a lot of the people who won't ride MF or TTD won't get in line for Max Air either.

I haven't seen any of the markings, but don't you think it might be a little early to be getting this kind of stuff in place if the new ride really is just a flat ride? July is not even over...seems to me that if they started construction on a flat ride now, it could be just about be open by Halloweekends.

Just adding my fuel to the fire ;)

I would also like to see some more flat rides. Although, I do agree that coasters attract longer lines. Look at the Beast. When it opened, there were five hour lines and I don't think you'll ever see a flat ride create that kind of buzz or line.

Agreed, panman.

Although previous additions to the park can't always be applied to predicting future installments, here's something to think about. Since 1985 with the addition of Avalanche Run, Cedar Point has never gone more than 3 years without adding a coaster.

In 2000, CP spent $25 million for Millennium Force. In 2002/2003 they spent a total of $34 million for WT and Dragster. Although these two rides looked like two separate investments on paper and in the press releases, it seems evident to me that they were part of the same capital investment because Dragster's footers had been poured before Wicked Twister was even introduced to the public. I'm not exactly sure how the "payment plans" go between parks and coaster companies, but I'd have to assume that they had already paid Intamin--at least a portion of what they owed--for Dragster.

This brings us to maXair this season. That ride only cost a couple million out of the total $10 million they spent on capital improvements this year. After not adding any rides to the park for two years and only spending what they did for the improvements for this operating season, it would seem to me that they are saving up for something big. What does a new B&M installation cost a park these days? ~$17 million? how about two? ~$34 million? :) Of course the park would probably be willing to spend a little more because there was a $9 million hike between 2000 and the 2002/2003 seasons.

I guess we'll have to wait and see...

*** Edited 7/21/2005 1:29:44 PM UTC by CPgenius***

Two B&M's?? I like the way you think. ;) I honestly think that it could happen, with that big of a space. If any park, CP could do it.