Cedar Point-Construction?

CP has enough water rides? Take out WWL and put in a coaster? HUUHh?

Okay, I know CP is "America's Rollercoast", but any amusement/theme park has to make sure that they keep a well rounded selection of different rides. People bicker all of the time about the park always putting in new coasters and not what the park lacks.

Cp already has 16 coasters. How many is too many? Isn't it about time they focus on other attractions like flats and another water ride or two?

I really, REALLY like WWL. It is my favorite non-coaster in the park. It is my favorite traditional log ride ever, because it has the ground level meandering and it has the way above ground meandering. It seems to be running well, and isn't showing it's age. What reason does CP have to remove it, especially keeping in mind that the park "doesn't have a space problem"?

I personally would like to see CP install a watercoaster, that way the park could add another water ride while appeasing those rabid CP fanboys who think that 16 coasters are not enough.

Edited to add - I like how all of the water rides at CP are close to each other. It's more convenient for me to change into my water ride clothes, do all of the water rides, and then change back, all in one area of the park. If they where spread out, people would be breaking the shirts/shoes rule a lot more often. Even though I don't agree 100% with the rule, I respect it. *** Edited 7/17/2005 6:08:17 AM UTC by dexter***

Cedar Point shouldn't be removing any water attractions. They have a great assortment, and it would hurt them to replace WWL with a coaster. A water-coaster maybe.. but lose a water ride without replacing it with a new one? No way!

The park knows how to operate itself, they know what to keep and what not to.

WWL is not my favorite flume, but it would be, well, strange for a park the size of CP to *not* have one.

All of us are looking at this from the perspective of "What can they do to get a new roller coaster??" and I think there might be a lot of people in the board room thinking "Well, HOW many coasters do we already have? Ya.. and then WWL and Snake River Falls.... hmm... we're open over the summer, maybe we should add another water ride or two, for the guests' enjoyment."

I think there are a lot of people over there taking a lot of pride in the work they do, and they know when to make things appealing to the most people possible. Trying to satisfy the masses is their job, I'll leave it to them to make the best decision(s), as I am sure that they will be built and I'm sure they will be great.

I didn't know we had so many psychics in here. Ok, now tell me what i'm going to have for lunch today. :) No one knows what CP is going to do except CP. (edited for spelling) *** Edited 7/18/2005 2:36:20 AM UTC by Jason Hammond***

Jason, not even CP knows, because I do not believe land has a mind... maybe the CP officials know... ;)

In all seriousness, what does speculation get you? Nothing. So why ponder around it? Just wait until an announcement or you see them install the new utilities that the markings signify.

In terms of CP's lead over SFMM, it looks like SFMM may be building something else - maybe Fence: The Ride. Anyway, there are a number of stakes littering SFMM and that could indicate a potential coaster.

Hey now thats the best thing I've heard on this forum so far, "Fence: The Ride" thats great lol

White Water Landing isn't showing its age? Are you kidding me? The freaking caves fell down for pete's sake! There have been a few times this year the the water pumps cut out, shutting the ride down for the day.

The ride only has half of its original capacity because they only operate one chute. They slowed down the turntable, and as a result, when the boats come into the station they now slam into the ones in front of it--it's no longer a slight bump. There have been a some incidents in the past few years with this ride where people were injured or nearly injured. With as safety-paranoid as the park is, I find it very interesting that they haven't installed seatbelts into the canoes. All these factors lead me to believe that it is on its way out.

Rctycoon2k, if we all followed that reasoning then forums like this would be pretty boring wouldn't they? Speculation is one of the most fun parts about being a fan.

Speculation is never beneficial for the parks either, is it? I mean it's not like Holiday World's speculation thread caused the largest number of simultaneous users to be on Cbuzz during their announcement this past week. Oh wait a minute...it did.

CPgenius, well said.

Speculation is all fine and dandy when you know that a coaster is coming, ala Holiday World. But when you see a stake, or a white spray-painted box, it could be anything. Seemingly not a coaster, but only a utility marker.

Speculation is fun, when theres something to speculate about. "OMG, I saw a pile of dirt... NEW COASTER COMING TO CP."

I just don't buy into it.

Edit: Dang, I can't spell... again.

*** Edited 7/18/2005 5:30:30 AM UTC by Rctycoon2k***

Do they even serve steak at CP?

I know they have STAKES ocasionally in the park...

Yes they serve steak at CP Joe, at Famous Dave's.

There are caves on White Water Landing? I thought the collapse happened at the end of Thunder Canyon?

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CPFAN420 said:
Yes they serve steak at CP Joe, at Famous Dave's.

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They are quite good as well ;)

Okay, you probably know WAY more than I do about WWL because your screen name has "CP" and "Genius" in it, (lol).

What I meant about the ride not showing it's age is that it is still enjoyable and well maintained.

A building that the ride went through was removed. A building can be replaced if the park desires. A waterpump went out? Okay, I didn't know that, but that can also be, and probably has been, fixed. All of this could be repaired for at much lower cost than totally removing WWL and designing and building a brand new ride.

As for the one chute problem, can't it be fixed as well? Slowing the turntable might be the quick fix until the real problem can be solved. The ride has been running very well for all of these years and all of a sudden someting happens to cause the ride to be unfixable? How hard is it to figure what went wrong and do someting to correct the problem.

I see what you are trying to say about the ride, but it's a very good ride. It's popular too. I like it a lot, and I am sure other people do too. It's worth keeping around, if not for the simple fact that it is CP's only log flume. To me a log flume style ride is a staple at any amusement park.

All of these rumors about it's demise freek me out.

Rctycoon2k, you do not deserve to be in the truely almighty presence of some of the GREATEST-spellers-who-happen-to-be-coaster-enthusiasts of all time and space.

Greatest-spellers-who-happen-to-be-coaster-enthusiasts could banish you into hellfire for your spelling error. Thankfully, I am not one of them, so I cannot do it. For the sake of the Coaster community, PLEASE edit you post, before the earth implodes into itself tenfold. Someone's lible to get confused or something, and never, ever respect anything you say here ever again.

Please note the sarcasim.

dexter, some of the issues I brought up regarding WWL are by no means unfixable, but at the same time, CP isn't going to spend the money to do it. They are all about the ROI and adding some caves back to the ride isn't something that's going to give them a return at all. On the other hand, tearing it out and replacing it with a coaster or improved water ride would give them a decent return.

What is detrimental to the ride's future is its decreased capacity. You might notice that it always has a line during the summer. That is partly because the height requirement is different than most rides at the park, but it also has to do with just how painfully slow the line moves. There is nothing the crew can do about it either...trust me the WWL crew would love for their platform to move as quickly as Thunder Canyon's.

As for the single chute and turntable changes, that was a result of an incident involving a canoe "stalling" at the bottom of the chute, and then several other boats going down after it, stacking up at the bottom of the chute, causing or nearly causing some serious injuries. With as fast as you are moving at that point, you can imagine the bone jarring experience of slamming into stopped boats. As a result, they can now only use one chute, and they reduced the turntable's RPM to compensate for less boats in the water.

Did I mentiont they still don't have seatbelts on the ride? They added seatbelts to Corkscrew but WWL still has no real safety restraint...seems a bit odd, doesn't it?

You've got to quit giving the liability lawyers ideas, CPg.

It is an annoyingly slow line. We rode it late June, with just the first switchback-pair full of guests, and it was a 30 minute wait. That's a SMALL line compared to what you see on a typical summer afternoon. The station and beginning bits are themed nicely, as is the small section just past the first lift. The rest of it is a faded green, dirty trough winding through the trees, though with a nice view of the bay. I'd be all for replacing it with a newer version. I'm not expecting Splash Mountain, but something with a bit more to look at along the way would be nice.

*** Edited 7/18/2005 2:50:59 PM UTC by Brian Noble***

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Keith2005 said:
But we also have to look at one more thing... the height record. Every time a height record breaking coaster is built we ponder. "Can we go higher". The answer is yes! But how? Lifts are now out of the question, unless vertical. Because standard 30 - 45 degree lifts take so much space. Also, I think they should have beter height breaking coasters. Millennium Force was the ultimate record breaking coaster, because it wasn't a launch, height, down, end, like Top Thrill Dragster. But because it had turns, and hills, and more hills, and turns. I think if they build a higher coaster, it should be more exciting then TTD. What would be the point of building it if it was a larger version of TTD?

I know I will get flammed for somthing I've said. I have for every post I have ever made on these forums *** Edited 7/15/2005 9:28:35 PM UTC by Keith2005***

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I'm sorry, but HOW are lift hills out of the question. At this point it's the best way to get a record breaking coaster. Launch coasters are getting faster and can easily fail or even cause injury at these speeds. If you build a lift hill at a 70 or 80 degree angle, the height is endless because the train will hit terminal velocity after a certain height depending on wind resistance and weight. Either way, if you seen G Force at Drayton Manor, you would see that you can basically do anything with lift hills to get a train up even if it's nearly upside down.

http://www.xtremecoasters.com/

^ Theres the video of it in operation if you really want to see.

Anyway, on to the markings. Did the white box and orange markings look anything like.....
http://www.amusementpics.com/2005/August%2021%20027%20copy.jpg

If it is, say hello to coaster #17, Perhaps an Intamin water coaster.