Canceling trip to HW this world summer

It seems like this is what's happening:

Indiana government says "Businesses and citizens should be allowed to discriminate if they want!"

Then businesses and citizens start boycotting Indiana.

Then the Indiana government says, "No, wait, that's not fair!"

The situation might get worse. It seems that there is legislature of a similar nature being brought about in North Carolina. Now Ive had my heart set on riding Fury 325 since I caught wind of it in spring of 2014. Ive been salivating and watching the construction and video feeds for months. When it finally opened my jaw dropped and my heart fluttered. However, that being said, Ill be ______ if I spend my hard earned money in NC to support such ideologies. Id sooner change my plans and head back to Cedar Point again. I guess we'll see what the outcome is.

The good news about the North Carolina law is that their (Republican!) governor has so far said he doesn't see the need for one in his state. Whether that means he'd veto it or not is another story, but it's at least a lean in the correct direction.

Arkansas is the state to watch. They are set to quickly stumble into the same hole that Indiana dug for themselves.

CreditWh0re said:

Arkansas is the state to watch. They are set to quickly stumble into the same hole that Indiana dug for themselves.

Its funny you just brought up Arkansas. It seems that Wal-Mart (whom I dont fully trust) has stated that they will not support such legislation and it is urging Asa Hutchinson not to sign that bill.

Unfortunately, Governor Hutchinson has already said it'll get signed :(

but AH (God has a sense of humor) said that before the Indiana thing blew up. Not so sure he'll willfully jump onto that grenade right now. We shall see.

Coasterhound36 said:

The situation might get worse. It seems that there is legislature of a similar nature being brought about in North Carolina. Now Ive had my heart set on riding Fury 325 since I caught wind of it in spring of 2014.

Well you'll only feel dirty part of the time, because at the least the turnaround for Fury is in South Carolina.

Thunder Road crosses the state line as well, so for half of that you can throw your hands in the air like you just don't care.

CreditWh0re said:

but AH (God has a sense of humor) said that before the Indiana thing blew up. Not so sure he'll willfully jump onto that grenade right now. We shall see.

Good news on this front!

Seems like Governor AH is looking for any escape hatch he can find. After adamantly saying that he would sign Arkansas SB 1228, he's now, for some reason (cough Walmart cough) has asked the state legislature to rework the bill to model the Federal law. The Federal law (as mentioned and linked up thread) does not have the language that is cited as being a gateway to denying services to gays and lesbians, as in the Indiana law.

Of course, hard to understand exactly what the difference is now, other than AH has seen the uproar in Indiana, but not complaining.

Regulus, you're just plain silly! ;)

Jeff said:

Coasterhound36 said:

The situation might get worse. It seems that there is legislature of a similar nature being brought about in North Carolina. Now Ive had my heart set on riding Fury 325 since I caught wind of it in spring of 2014.

Well you'll only feel dirty part of the time, because at the least the turnaround for Fury is in South Carolina.

Jeff, I wouldnt exactly call South Carolina a panacea of ideologies either! LOL! And by your logic I guess I wont feel nearly as guilty since you have to drive INTO SC to get to the park's entrance gates. ;)

Boycotts work when they are organized and large in scope. A number of mainline protestant denominations boycotted McDonald's and other Yum! Foods restaurants about 10 years ago and got them to change the wage they pay to itinerant farmers in Florida. Of course in that case you were talking about millions of people represented by those organizations and a very well organized media presence and very clear spokespeople and goals. An individual who just decides not to go to Holiday World won't do anything if it's not a part of a larger scope movement.

On a side note, during the Yum! Foods boycott, a Chipotle opened up down the road and was giving away free burritos for a day. Can you get a free burrito from a place you're boycotting? I didn't, but it was an interesting question.

Except that neither McDonald's or Chipotle are Yum! brands. The only Yum! brand restaurants are KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut.

Just goes to show how many boycotts are poorly planned and ineffectual. Boycotting Holiday World, either individually or as part of a large scope movement, would do very little to convince the government of Indiana to change the legislation, it would just hurt a company who has treated any and all guests impeccably.

Through the ages, religion has been the cause of more war, conflicts and death than any other cause devised by humans. The only "religion" I follow is that I try to treat other humans the way I would like to be treated myself. I absolutely despise people who try to force their beliefs on others in the name of religion. Companies that turn away business because they don't like someone's beliefs, religion, orientation, etc. are not only insulting, but they are run by idiots. And it's obvious Indiana has a bunch of idiots disguised as legislators.

Andy may have meant "McDonald's and Yum Brands" (collectively, though not related).

At the time McDonald's held a significant stake in Chipotle at one point (early 2000's I believe).

I find it Ironic that a Law intended to stop religious bigotry.

Is being attacked for committing sexual preference bigotry.

The law is intended to stop people from going into every bakery in Indiana

asking for a wedding cake for a gay wedding .When they find one that won't

suing/running them out of business .

or to stop someone from getting an abortion drug prescription and going to all pharmacies in Indiana and suing the ones that don't carry/fill those prescriptions.

Should I sue CVS because I like to smoke after sex and their decision to not sell cigarettes is sexual discrimination of me.

No I would go across the street to someone that does sell them.

The Americans with disabilities law is being used to attack the few older businesses that may not conform.People are looking for lawsuits as a source of income for themselves.any two story business that doesn't have an elevator can be sued even if they try to help a disabled person access something on second floor.

All laws have unintended consequences .

Is the law poorly written (most are)

Is it unreadable by non lawyers (most are)

So you are all up in arms over something you are being told it says.

That may not even be what it says or what was intended for it to say.

The same as suicide bombers are told they will get their virgins in heaven.

kevin38 said:

or to stop someone from getting an abortion drug prescription and going to all pharmacies in Indiana and suing the ones that don't carry/fill those prescriptions.

Should I sue CVS because I like to smoke after sex and their decision to not sell cigarettes is sexual discrimination of me.

Invalid examples. Every business in this country has the full right to choose the products and services they offer. If they dont' want to carry abortion drugs or cigarettes, they don't have to. That means they sell them to NOBODY equally regardless of who you are.

However, anything they do sell must be offered to all customers equally. You cannot exclude customers from something you offer because you simply don't like them or something about them while allowing it to others you approve of.

kevin38 said:

The Americans with disabilities law is being used to attack the few older businesses that may not conform.

A business (or an individual) has the choice to obey a law or not to. "Not conforming" with a law because gay sexytime, Jewish mixed-race lesbians or people with screen names like kevin38 makes the business owner feel icky isn't an option.